The White Knight Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) I think you will find that it was a 50,000 seater stadium a bit over 3 times as much as you have quoted. Of the around 50,000 spectators in the stadium the Polish President and top Polish politicians were also in attendance at the meeting. Oh dear!!!! I hadn't realised that. :sad: Terrible for our Sport. :sad: Edited April 30, 2015 by The White Knight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Name them... Or just name the speedway venues with a seating capacity >15,000 Niamh I was only repling to this post. Even if it was a 20 seater private stadium for the President, if they made another repeat of this fiasco, I would bet he would reply that he was sorry but he had other business to attend to. It was a very sorry night indeed for our sport and one I hope we will not be seeing again, in a very long time. With that said though if they knew what they where up to in the first place then there would not be another, night that will ever compare to Saturday 18th April 2015. I posted that why to they need to use these temorary stadiums, when there are plenty of good stadiums with proven racing tracks that should be used and this was the reply I got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I posted that why to they need to use these temorary stadiums, when there are plenty of good stadiums with proven racing tracks that should be used and this was the reply I got. So name these stadiums with the requisite facilities, You'll be wanting 12 of them spread over several countries and given the attendance at the likes of Copenhagen, Gothenburg and Cardiff some of them will need to handle that sort of crowd size. Unless you see the future of speedway as a little watch niche sport? Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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weatherwatcher Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 So name these stadiums with the requisite facilities, You'll be wanting 12 of them spread over several countries and given the attendance at the likes of Copenhagen, Gothenburg and Cardiff some of them will need to handle that sort of crowd size. Unless you see the future of speedway as a little watch niche sport? Niamh After Warsaw, They will be able to race in some of the worlds smallest stadiums if we have another repeat of that fiasco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Interesting to see the interview with Jason Crump who was commenting on a track he admitted he hadn't seen, but the bit about transponders was well made. Speedway must be just about the only motor sport in the 21st century that doesn't use transponders, and whilst Philippe has in the past tried to convince that the cost of these is prohibitively expensive, that's frankly a load of cobblers. Name 1 benefit transponders would bring to speedway? From the start? yes they could do away with tapes and use lights and they could determine false starts, well we have seen where that leads. For the finish ? Unnecessary, speedway is rarely, if ever so close as to not be able to be split by a slo mo replay For race times ? yes but speedway doesnt have qualifying determined by lap times and race times are more of an interest than a neccessity so totally pointless. You are merely suggesting technology for technology sake rather than any benefit it may bring Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 (edited) Here is a list of the worlds speedway tracks, if they can't pick the tracks that are suitable out of these to stage a GP then there is something wrong. So why do they keep struggling to put on a good show at the tempory tracks. Can,t say I have seen one good meeting on any of the tempory tracks they all start to break up to soon. They just don't have enough time to bed down, with hardly any racing on them before hand bar a few practice laps .ARGENTINASpeedway tracks: Bahia Blanca Carhué Huanguelen - Buenos Aires PiguéAUSTRALIASpeedway tracks: Archerfield - Queensland Ayr - Queensland Barleigh Ranch - New South Wales Bibra Lake - Western Australia Brisbane - Queensland Broadford - Victoria Broken Hill - New South Wales Bunbury - Western Australia Cairns - Queensland Collie - Western Australia Darwin - Northern Territory Gatton - Queensland Gillman (Adelaide) - South Australia Gladstone - Queensland Grafton - New South Wales Horsham - Victoria Kadina - South Australia Kalgoorlie - Western Australia Labrador (Gold Coast) - Queensland Mackay - Queensland Maryborough - Queensland Mildura - Victoria Mount Gambier - South Australia Murray Bridge - South Australia Myrtleford - Victoria Nepean - New South Wales Nowra - New South Wales Nyora - Victoria Parramatta (Sydney) - New South Wales Renmark - South Australia Rockhampton - Queensland Roxby Downs - South Australia Shepparton - Victoria Sidewinders (Adelaide) - South Australia Swan Hill - Victoria Tamworth - New South Wales Townsville - Queensland Wayville (Adelaide) - South Australia Whyalla - South AustraliaAUSTRIASpeedway tracks: Mureck Natschbach-Loipersbach St.Johann/Pongau Wiener Neustadt*BELGIUMSpeedway track: Heusden-Zolder*BULGARIASpeedway tracks: Sofia TargovishteCANADASpeedway tracks: Erie Ramblers - Wheatley, Ontario Niagara Raceway - Welland, Ontario Paris Speedway - Paris, Ontario St. Alex - Saint-Alexis-des-Monts, QuebecCROATIASpeedway track: Prelog*CZECH REPUBLICSpeedway tracks: Brezolupy Chabarovice Divišov Koprivnice Liberec Mšeno* Pardubice* Plzen Prague* Slaný SvitavyDENMARKSpeedway tracks: Brovst Copenhagen Elling Fjelsted* Fladbro Glumsø Grindsted Holstebro Holsted* Korskro Munkebo Outrup Slangerup Uhre Vojens*FINLANDSpeedway tracks: Haapajärvi - 5 kms from city centre at Kauniskangas Hyvinkää - Few kms from city centre Kaanaa - 50 kms north of Tampere Kuusankoski - Few kms from town centre Lahti - Few kms from town centre at Pipoo Pori* - 10 kms from city centre at Yyteri Seinäjoki - 10 kms from city centre at Routakallio Varkaus - Few kms north of town centreFRANCESpeedway track: Marmande*GERMANYSpeedway tracks: Abensberg* - Bavaria, about 5 km west of Neustadt a.d. Donau Brokstedt* - North, A7: exit Neumuenster-Wittorf Diedenbergen* - West, A66: Frankfurt-Wiesbaden Dohren - West Güstrow - North-East, about 40 km south of Rostock Homberg/Ohm - Hessen, A5: Frankfurt-Bad Hersfeld Landshut* - Bavaria, A92: Munich-Deggendorf Leipzig - Big Town, you can find it on every map Ludwigslust* - North-East, B5: about 120 km east of Hamburg Meißen - East, B6: about 20 km north-west of Dresden Moorwinkelsdamm* - North-West, A28: Oldenburg-Leer Neuenknick - North, B482: Minden-Nienburg Neustadt/Donau* - Bavaria, B299: about 80 km north of Munich Norden - North-West, A28: about 70 km west from Wilhelmshaven Nordhastedt - North, B204: Itzehoe-Heide Olching* - Bavaria, about 20 km north-west of Munich Pocking* - Bavaria, A3: about 20 km south of Passau Pfaffenhofen* - Bavaria, A9: 50 km north of Munich Stralsund* - North-East, about 70 km east of Rostock Teterow - North-East, B108: about 50 km south of Rostock Wolfslake - East, about 30 km north-west of BerlinGREAT BRITAINSpeedway tracks: Armadale - East Scotland, A89 Berwick - North-East, A1: south of river near town centre Buxton - North Midlands, A515: about 2 m south of town Coventry* - West Midlands, A46: about 5 m east of city at Brandon Eastbourne* - South-East Coast, off A22: about 4 m north of town centre Exeter - South West Coast: near city centre Glasgow - West Scotland: north of river at Springburn Highbridge - South-West, M5 exit 22: about 1.5 m north-east of town Hull - North: near city centre Ipswich - East, A12: about 3 m east of town centre Iwade - South-East, A249: about 2 m north of Sittingbourne King's Lynn - East, A10: about 3 m south of town centre Lydd (unlicensed) - South-East, B2075: at Belgar Farm near Lydd Airport Manchester - North, A57: about 2 m east of city centre Mildenhall - East, A11: about 2 m west of town at West Row Newcastle - North-East: about 2 m west of city centre at Byker Newport - South Wales, M4 exit 24 Oxford - South Midlands, A4142: about 3 m south of the city centre at Cowley Peterborough* - East, A1: about 3 miles west of town at Alwalton Poole* - South Coast: next to railway station in town centre Purfleet - South-East, M25 exit 30 Reading - South Midlands, A33: about 2 m south of town centre at Smallmead Ryde - Isle of Wight: direct ferry or hovercraft from Portsmouth Rye House - South-East, off A10: at Hoddesdon Sheffield* - North, A61: about 1 m north of city centre at Owlerton Stoke - North Midlands, M6 exit 15: actually at Newcastle-under-Lyme Swindon - South Midlands, A419: about 4 m north of town at Blunsdon Weymouth - South Coast: about 1.5 m north-west of town centre Wimbledon - London: suburb in south-west of city Wolverhampton - West Midlands: about 10 m north-west of Birmingham Workington - North-West: about 35 m south-west of CarlisleHUNGARYSpeedway tracks: Debrecen* Gyula MiskolcITALYSpeedway tracks: Badia Calavena (Verona) Castelletto di Branduzzo (Pavia) Castiglione Olona (Varese) Civitanova Marche (Ancona) Giavera del Montello (Treviso) Lonigo (Vicenza)* Montagnana (Padova) Terenzano (Udine)*LATVIASpeedway track: Daugavpils*NETHERLANDSSpeedway tracks: Blijham* Lelystad Veenoord* VledderveenNEW ZEALANDSpeedway tracks: Christchurch Ferndene Gisborne Greymouth Invercargill Napier Nelson New Plymouth Palmerston North Rosebank Road (Auckland) Rotorua Stratford Wanganui Western Springs (Auckland) Westport WhangareiNORWAYSpeedway tracks: Basserudåsen - Near Kongsberg, 120 km west of Oslo Elgane* - 50 km south of Stavanger at Varhaug Geiteryggen - Near Skien, 150 km south-west of Oslo Gudbrandsdal - Near Lillehammer Kristiansand Kvinesdal - 100 km west of Kristiansand Lunner - Near Oslo Riska - Near Stavanger, between Sandnes and Hommersåk. Vinsvoll - Near Drammen, 70 km west of OsloPOLANDSpeedway tracks: Bydgoszcz* - North, about 170 km south from Gdansk Chorzow - South, about 5 km west from Katowice Czestochowa - South, E75: Lodz-Katowice Gdansk - Big town, you can find it on every map Gniezno* - East, E261: Poznan-Bydgoszcz Gorzow - North-West, E65: Szczecin-Legnica Grudziadz - North, E75: Gdansk-Torun Krakow/Nowa Huta - Big town, you can find it on every map Krosno - South-East, about 60 km south from Rzeszow Leszno - West, E261: Poznan-Wroclaw Lodz - Big town, you can find it on every map Lublin - East, A17: about 160 km south-east from Warsaw Machowa - South-East, E40: Krakow-Przemysl Opole - South, E40: Wroclaw-Katowice Ostrów Wielkopolski. - Central, A42: Poznan-Katowice Pila* - North-West, A10: Szczecin-Bydgoszcz Rawicz - West, E261: Poznan-Wroclaw Ruda Slaska - South, about 20 km west from Katowice Rybnik - South, about. 50 km south-west from Katowice Rzeszow - South-East, E40: Krakow-Przemysl Swietochlowice - South, about 20 km west from Katowice Tarnow - South-East, E40: Krakow-Przemysl Torun - North, E75: Gdansk-Lodz Warsaw - Polish Capital Wroclaw* - Big town, you can find it on every map Zielona Gora - West, E65: Szczecin-LegnicaROMANIASpeedway tracks: Braila Bucharest SibiuRUSSIASpeedway tracks: Balakovo Meleuz (unlicenced) Oktyabrsky Salavat Togliatti* VladivostokSLOVAKIASpeedway track: ZarnovicaSLOVENIASpeedway tracks: Krsko* - 90 km south east of Ljubljana (direction Zagreb) Lendava - Short distance from Hungarian border: Ljubljana - Budapest Ljubljana* - Slovenian CapitalSOUTH AFRICASpeedway tracks: Bloemfontein Brakpan George Kimberley Newcastle Rustenburg Wembley (Johannesburg)SWEDENSpeedway tracks: Avesta* Eskilstuna Gislaved Gothenburg Gävle Hagfors Hallstavik Huddinge Karlstad Kumla Lindesberg Linköping* Malmö Mariestad Motala Målilla Norrköping* Nyköping Nässjö Örebro Stockholm Uddevalla Vetlanda* Visby VästervikUKRAINESpeedway tracks: Czervonograd Lvov* Rovno*UNITED STATES OF AMERICASpeedway tracks: Action Park East Speedway - Greene, New York Champion Speedway - Owego, New York Carson City Raceway - Nevada Costa Mesa - California Fast Fridays Speedway - Auburn, California Indianapolis International Speedway - Indiana Lawrenceburg - Indiana Porter County Fairgrounds - Valparaiso, Indiana Square Deal Speedway - Harpursville, New York The Grand - Industry Hills, California Wheel 2 Wheel Raceway - Victorville, CaliforniaIndoor speedway venue: Rainbow Falls (ice) - near Woodland Park, Colorado Edited April 30, 2015 by weatherwatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Where's REDCAR!!!? :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 It is difficult to take seriously someone who produces such out of date information. In support of his spurious argument. Ole Olsen would be terribly busy creating new temporary tracks at so many defunct venues if anyone were to listen to this joker. I think we need much better brains on the case to secure the future of the SGP. Not this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Warren Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Birmingham missing off list too! What a great work to produce such a list. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 weatherwatcher, can you tell me about the tracks in Gothenburg, Uddevalla, Visby & Huddinge? Like recent pics and etc? The truth is that very very few tracks/arenas in Sweden can accommodate a Grand Prix. Eskilstuna have the grand stand capacity but not the car park capacity anymore. I also doubt that Smederna would be interested in trying again since the last time they had a GP, the club went bankrupt a few years later.They also had very poor attendance at last year's Speedway best pairs cup . Vetlanda have the facilties but the track is not particularly good and it is also way to close to Målilla. Possibly Kumla but let's see first how well their EuroCh. round goes before giving them a GP. A GP also requires more then a good track, grand stand capacity, car parking capacity, generally good facilities... Any old track won't do. It have to be of fairly good standard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Watch a GP at Newport would be great fun.Weaving in and out of the articulated lorries and storage containers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Weatherwatcher....really? You produce a list of British tracks including Weymouth, Hull, Isle of Wight, Newport, Exeter, Oxford, Reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Weatherwatcher....really? You produce a list of British tracks including Weymouth, Hull, Isle of Wight, Newport, Exeter, Oxford, Reading. But miss off Slough. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Yeah let's take the British GP back to Brandon. Saves me on hotel and travel costs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 weatherwatcher, can you tell me about the tracks in Gothenburg, Uddevalla, Visby & Huddinge? Like recent pics and etc? That list has probably not been updated for at least 10 years - I know because I compiled the original version back in the 90s. There probably are still sufficient permanent speedway venues around to host GPs, most of which wouldn't need stadia more than 15-20K. The problem of course, is that BSI want to extract licence fees from the venues, and most tourist boards are not interested in supporting events held in the middle of fields and forests. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 I really don't see the point of having a stadium that can seat 15,000 spectators, if the meeting is a total farce and has to finish before the end of the meeting. Far better to have the meeting in a stadium that has a proven track record, than to have a super glorified 15,000 seater one, with a covered roof, with the pits at the side of the track and no one can hear anything because of the noise, plus gates that fail to work. Give me a stadium, that gives good racing and a posative to all the points above. For the sake of a few thousand less seats. If they keep putting on meeting like the one at Warsaw, then they won't need a stadium, with any seating, because no one will bother to go to see the GP's any longer. But it’s not a few thousand less seats, in this case a 15000 seater would have been 40000 less seats. If you got rid of Cardiff you’d drop from 40000 to what – can’t imagine any British track holds more than 6000? There simply are not sufficient permanent tracks with large stadium capacity. You must have been delighted then when Wembley was lost to speedway, and instead the World Final’s could be held at a permaennt track at Odsal. Only around a 50k drop off in crowds too. OR maybe there is something about holding meetings in world class arenas, with huge crowds – perhaps why so many name the 81 World Final as their favourite meeting, despite the fact that the racing at Odsal in 90 was better? Using world class stadiums is the way to go, and temporary tracks have shown they can produce top racing . The issue at Warsaw wasn’t the track – it was the combination of track, allowing a full meetings worth of practice to be held on said track on the morning of the meeting, the tapes failure (and lack of backup) and inept officiating. If everything else had been ok, the meeting would have completed despite the track, and we’d have been talking about what a success the event was despite a somewhat dodgy surface. Weatherwatcher - where would you hold the British GP? What about the Australian one? Wheer would you have held the NZ GPs if not on a temporary track at western springs? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Wheer would you have held the NZ GPs if not on a temporary track at western springs? Oreti Park would make a great GP venue... I thought Western Springs was a pre-existing speedway track, even if they did tart it up for the GP? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Western Springs is a car speedway track, but apparently that surface is totally unsuitable for bike speedway so it needed totally re-laying at a pretty huge cost (and then converting back afterwards) - one of the reasons Bill Buckley lost so much money! I think Western Springs definitely belongs in the "temporary trck" category, and produced good racing 2 out of 3 years, with the 2014 GP being excellent (2013 was very poor bar a couple of decent races). It;s a super venue, a shame that Auckland council seem intent on driving speedway out, I think 2017 will be the end of motorsport at the Springs, as the council seemingly aim to destryo both motorsport and Rugby League in Auckland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted May 1, 2015 Report Share Posted May 1, 2015 Name 1 benefit transponders would bring to speedway? I think the point was for starts. Why should tapes actually be necessary, with the attendant potential failures, if you can electronically measure whether riders have jumped the star? Why can't riders watch for a green light going out, just as they can watch for the tapes going up? If would also save all the delays to replace the tapes when riders do go through them. Just as when the tape touching rule was brought in, I'm sure it'll take a short while for riders to adapt, and then they'd just get on with it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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