Grand Central Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 It hasn't "descended" into anything.It is important to point out that it doesn't matter to the quality of the product if some people aren't paid.What is important is those organising everyone and everything do their job properly.The problems all lie at the top,not the bottom of the ladder here You are quite right ... 'Moved on' would have been much better chosen words. Thank you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 I often choose the wrong word(s) myself,so no problem. Â Think it is important if someone is shocked about this,to point out there are many many important events that are professionally staged without hiccup with the aid of volunteers.That isn't an issue here.Like you say,the problem is the "professionals" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 It hasn't "descended" into anything.It is important to point out that it doesn't matter to the quality of the product if some people aren't paid.What is important is those organising everyone and everything do their job properly.The problems all lie at the top,not the bottom of the ladder here Precisely. Â BSI Please Note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) MA is actually looking for volunteers at the moment for the Etihad GP. If they would pay for my flights, I'd do it for free.F1 fly out marshals for the Middle East GPs. Ther's nothing wrong with volunteers, some of whom are very professional and do it for the love of the sport. It's the professional organisers who need to be professional. So are a lot of the staff at Windsow Castle etc at least some of the time,so it has been stated on the newsLots of retired people act as volunteers for the likes of the National Trust and English Heritage. The places wouldn't be able to open otherwise. Edited April 26, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 F1 fly out marshals for the Middle East GPs. Â Yeah well they wont do it for the 4th bend flagman or the guy who opens the pit gate! Â But like someone said, there are things some people do for the honour of being there. Two weeks in Oz building an SGP would be an adventure I'd be willing to take another cc for and max it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Why is that so shocking? It's pretty standard for volunteers to work at motorsports events. It even happens at F1 events... Noooo oh dear, talk about take advantage! I often choose the wrong word(s) myself,so no problem. Â Think it is important if someone is shocked about this,to point out there are many many important events that are professionally staged without hiccup with the aid of volunteers.That isn't an issue here.Like you say,the problem is the "professionals" Oh don't worry, I know exactly who is to blame for Warsaw and it is not the unpaid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Or haven't they got any stadiums in the world that are good enough to use Name them... Â Or just name the speedway venues with a seating capacity >15,000 Â Niamh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 I watched the 12 heats of Warsaw last night on You Tube, fast forward through the delays - just wanted to see the track again and how much it deteriorated from heat 1 to heat 12 Ok, I know I was not riding it, nor have I done speedway (but grass tracks I have ridden been pretty rough), but I am surprised it was called off because of track conditions. Its got to be refereeing or the green light issue, or maybe a combination of all three, track, ref, green light that made the riders pull out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Barrycuda, interesting you say that because I was thinking something similar. I dont know why I thought that, I have no "proof" to back up what I was thinking, I was just thinking is action (or non action as it was) being taken to make a point to someone (or something as in "an organisation"). There it was, a showpiece meeting in the capital of a country that desperately wants speedway to take off in that city and for some reason it all goes wrong........... but then again even if someone wanted failure to happen, how does one persuade others to go along with the plan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Don't really give two hoots who is to blame, just want to know about my refund/compensation. Anything concrete come out yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 27, 2015 Report Share Posted April 27, 2015 Don't really give two hoots who is to blame, just want to know about my refund/compensation. Anything concrete come out yet? If the organization of Refunds is anything like the organization for the Warsaw GP - I think you may well be waiting a hell of a long time for your money. (I hope I am wrong - but I doubt it). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Great interview with Tommy Rander in this weeks Speedway Star. Â What a pity it has taken this level of destruction for the sport to allow the magazine to publish alternative voices. After all these years of towing the party line. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Don't really give two hoots who is to blame, just want to know about my refund/compensation. Anything concrete come out yet?Wellies for you if you don't get a refund Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 Great interview with Tommy Rander in this weeks Speedway Star. What a pity it has taken this level of destruction for the sport to allow the magazine to publish alternative voices. After all these years of towing the party line. It's a shame the article got relegated to several pages in. Â Tommy Rander can be something of a controversial character, but if his claims are correct that riders collectively spat their dummies after being threatened with fines by BSI, then it's astonishing that it somehow failed to be uncovered by the investigative journalism last week. Â Of course, Olsen is being further hung out to dry in the article, so that may be the motivation behind Rander being allowed to speak his mind. However, someone has finally dared to publicly suggest that BSI might not actually be that good at running the SGP, and all this 'scientific controlled track building' is a load of baloney. Made me smile! Â Interesting to see the interview with Jason Crump who was commenting on a track he admitted he hadn't seen, but the bit about transponders was well made. Speedway must be just about the only motor sport in the 21st century that doesn't use transponders, and whilst Philippe has in the past tried to convince that the cost of these is prohibitively expensive, that's frankly a load of cobblers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 I really don't see the point of having a stadium that can seat 15,000 spectators, if the meeting is a total farce and has to finish before the end of the meeting. Far better to have the meeting in a stadium that has a proven track record, than to have a super glorified 15,000 seater one, with a covered roof, with the pits at the side of the track and no one can hear anything because of the noise, plus gates that fail to work. Give me a stadium, that gives good racing and a posative to all the points above. For the sake of a few thousand less seats. If they keep putting on meeting like the one at Warsaw, then they won't need a stadium, with any seating, because no one will bother to go to see the GP's any longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 It's a shame the article got relegated to several pages in. Â Tommy Rander can be something of a controversial character, but if his claims are correct that riders collectively spat their dummies after being threatened with fines by BSI, then it's astonishing that it somehow failed to be uncovered by the investigative journalism last week. Â Of course, Olsen is being further hung out to dry in the article, so that may be the motivation behind Rander being allowed to speak his mind. However, someone has finally dared to publicly suggest that BSI might not actually be that good at running the SGP, and all this 'scientific controlled track building' is a load of baloney. Made me smile! Â Interesting to see the interview with Jason Crump who was commenting on a track he admitted he hadn't seen, but the bit about transponders was well made. Speedway must be just about the only motor sport in the 21st century that doesn't use transponders, and whilst Philippe has in the past tried to convince that the cost of these is prohibitively expensive, that's frankly a load of cobblers. Some say that Tommy Rander singularly destroyed Kaparna speedway. interesting from Jason Crump about transponders-however that means no tapes-and Warsaw proved what the riders think about tapeless meetings !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 RR i agree with you regarding Tommy Rander. He is also very anti-FIM and very anti-Svemo. Something that stems from what happened to Kaparna for which he blame/d/s Svemo. He is currently the "boss" at the Swedish speedway magazine Speedway. Â Imo he has a very good knowledge about the sport but he obviously not suitable to be involved in the management of a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 The mere fact that someone, anyone, has been interviewed in Star who has a 'different' view is the noteworthy point. Â Unbridled sycophancy has brought us to this point. It is good to see that end, at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 30, 2015 Report Share Posted April 30, 2015 It's a shame the article got relegated to several pages in. Â Tommy Rander can be something of a controversial character, but if his claims are correct that riders collectively spat their dummies after being threatened with fines by BSI, then it's astonishing that it somehow failed to be uncovered by the investigative journalism last week. Â Of course, Olsen is being further hung out to dry in the article, so that may be the motivation behind Rander being allowed to speak his mind. However, someone has finally dared to publicly suggest that BSI might not actually be that good at running the SGP, and all this 'scientific controlled track building' is a load of baloney. Made me smile! Â Interesting to see the interview with Jason Crump who was commenting on a track he admitted he hadn't seen, but the bit about transponders was well made. Speedway must be just about the only motor sport in the 21st century that doesn't use transponders, and whilst Philippe has in the past tried to convince that the cost of these is prohibitively expensive, that's frankly a load of cobblers. I've been saying that for years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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