orion Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I forgot - you never make a mistake do you? :rofl: When did I say otherwise ? Edited April 26, 2015 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Who said I was jesting? Didn't necessarily mean formal semaphore but coloured lollipops on sticks were used for years in speedway and as say hand signals are widely used, even to landing planes/helicopters on ships Have seen riders use hand signals to the ref a few times, not sure if it means he is in gate two or is the two min on 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Post removed Edited June 6, 2015 by Barrycuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 ONE thing that hasn't been given much of an airing is the effect that Saturday morning practice had on the track. It was quite understandable that the FIM, PZM and BSI, let alone the riders, wanted to test the track, much of which had been relaid overnight from Friday. However, a full session even though riders now have four runs of two minutes instead of six at one and a half, is the equivalent of 24 heats. To the best of my knowledge there were few complaints about the track then which begs the question had there been no practice would the meeting have been completed without any track issues? It does make me wonder if any practise is required. Zagar didn't practise and he won the non event. Maybe BSI could employ an ex rider with proven experience who has the trust of the riders to test the track midweek and on the eve of the meeting. The ex rider could be appointed by the GP riders to give confidence of impartiality.. This would give less wear on the temporary track and maybe a better surface. But others would know better than me if that would work.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Employ? I'm told the the starting gate staff don't get paid at Cardiff, can you believe that!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Employ? I'm told the the starting gate staff don't get paid at Cardiff, can you believe that!? Yes I can, most staff at a GP are non-paid volunteers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 It does make me wonder if any practise is required. Zagar didn't practise and he won the non event. Maybe BSI could employ an ex rider with proven experience who has the trust of the riders to test the track midweek and on the eve of the meeting. The ex rider could be appointed by the GP riders to give confidence of impartiality.. This would give less wear on the temporary track and maybe a better surface. But others would know better than me if that would work.. Darcy Ward perhaps? :shock: :shock: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Maybe BSI could employ an ex rider with proven experience Darcy Ward perhaps? :shock: :shock: He's more of an 'off-duty' rider. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbold Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 He's more of an 'off-duty' rider. Just what we need. We need more off-duty officials, they seem to get better results. In fact, you can ask Darcy Ward about this. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 How can a company that is putting on the top meeting in the speedway world, who are using stadiums that are not fit to be used for the meetings, be called a profetional company. From all the mastakes that we saw happen last Saturday, it is well time that the company was wound up and a new one took over the running of the GP series. A company that knows about speedway and knows how to run a speedway meeting. A company that would use modern technoligy to let the riders know what is going on and also the refree. What we saw was a total shambles, from a company that only goes out to make as much money from the events with little or no thought what so ever for the the paying public, to see top class racing from some of the worlds top clas stadiums. Or haven't they got any stadiums in the world that are good enough to use, without going to the expense of wasting money on these useless tracks that are laid a week or less before the meeting takes place. I am sure they are far better stadiums out there than having to have to put up, watching meetings from the total rubbish tracks that they are putting meetings on from. They should know better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 A few seasons ago there were issues with the start gate and for the next few rounds they had someone watching to ensure the tapes rose evenly...but that was forgotten about after a few rounds of perfect tapes and so the next time there is a problem we are faced with the complete farce we saw on Saturday night. Just what we need. We need more off-duty officials, they seem to get better results. In fact, you can ask Darcy Ward about this. Maybe the off-duty policeman could officiate as a 'tape watcher' when he has finished with the breath testing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Yes I can, most staff at a GP are non-paid volunteers. OMG that is shocking, joke or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob tatum Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 I guess the reason they have gps in superb stadium with roofs is to eliminate the rained off scenario but surely after all these years at least the basics should now be in place. A good well prepared race track ,a starting gate that works & a top referee are a must BUT thing that drives me crazy is the length of time speedway takes these days. Why oh bloody why are riders allowed to fart around after a false start etc IMO they should be made to start again immediately. How long should a gp take 2 hours tops? Despite my moan I am still going to cardiff & torun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 OMG that is shocking, joke or what?Why is that so shocking?It's pretty standard for volunteers to work at motorsports events. It even happens at F1 events... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Why is that so shocking? It's pretty standard for volunteers to work at motorsports events. It even happens at F1 events... Aren't a lot of the match day staff at premier league football also unpaid? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Aren't a lot of the match day staff at premier league football also unpaid? So are a lot of the staff at Windsow Castle etc at least some of the time,so it has been stated on the news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 Lets be honest, you'd be stark racing mad to pay someone to do a job that someone will do for nothing (or more realistically the honour of being able to say you did it) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) OMG that is shocking, joke or what? Why is that so shocking? It's pretty standard for volunteers to work at motorsports events. It even happens at F1 events... Theres a good documentary probably on youtube about the Melbourne F1 GP that states the amount of man hours to make it happen. Someone will check and correct me, but I think they said it was ???k. Might do it for free if I were a fan, but would not move my ärse for under 35 euros an hour as an entrepeneur. MA is actually looking for volunteers at the moment for the Etihad GP. If they would pay for my flights, I'd do it for free. EDIT: watching snooker and checked myself. It was actually ONLY 290k. The link here: Edited April 26, 2015 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) I do find it amusing that this thread has descended moved into a debate about which other - much better organised events - have unpaid volunteers to help.And the relative merits of this.When just about all the prime candidates for blame for last Saturday's debacle ARE paid.And some of them - those wearing kevlars - were quite handsomely paid for only half a job. Edited April 26, 2015 by Grand Central 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 26, 2015 Report Share Posted April 26, 2015 It hasn't "descended" into anything.It is important to point out that it doesn't matter to the quality of the product if some people aren't paid.What is important is those organising everyone and everything do their job properly.The problems all lie at the top,not the bottom of the ladder here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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