Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April

[SteveLyric2]

Maybe its about time we got back to 2-stroke uprights!!

[Grachan]

Im sure the riders of yester year, Collins , Morton even more recently Loram, are finding the whole thing quite pathetic

I suggest you watch the 1984 British Final, when Morton in particular was very vocal about calling the meeting off. And it probably would have been had Kenny Carter not gone against everyone else and said he wanted to ride.

[rusky]

Maybe its about time we got back to 2-stroke uprights!!

2-stroke uprights ?

[Grachan]

2-stroke uprights ?

Yeah. The FS1-E Challenge Cup would be a good one to start on.

[E I Addio]

Cant believe this thread is still running?

 

 

 

I truly believe if we had no isue with the starting gate the meeting would have carried onc

But there was an issue with the starting gate. There was also an issue with the track and an issue with poor refereeing. You can't separate one from another and say what if?

 

You are losing sight of the fact that even if the full 23 heats had been run it would still have been a shambles of a meeting probably taking the best part of 4 hours to complete, on a deteriorating track, possibly with more crashes and further injuries.

 

Even if the riders had continued it would still have been an unacceptable standard for a showcase event and there would still be major questions to be asked about the track and general organisational standard. People who were put off the sport by th e cancellation would still be very likely put off if them event struggled on to full distance.

 

The one good thing that comes out of this is that there is probably ((slightly) more chance of something being done about it.

[rusky]

Yeah. The FS1-E Challenge Cup would be a good one to start on.

But the Fizzy was a lay down Grachan - bending the rules again....lol

[SPEEDY69]

I suggest you watch the 1984 British Final, when Morton in particular was very vocal about calling the meeting off. And it probably would have been had Kenny Carter not gone against everyone else and said he wanted to ride.

Yes, one of Kenny's finest achievements. It was mainly the wet on that occasion though and even though a lot of the riders didn't like the conditions, it wasn't called off. Alternatively I remember many of the World Finals in the 70s, some at Wembley where everyone was hitting ruts and two-wheeling all over the place but there was no question of a call off.

Edited April 23, 2015 by SPEEDY69

[waiheke1]

I suggest you watch the 1984 British Final, when Morton in particular was very vocal about calling the meeting off. And it probably would have been had Kenny Carter not gone against everyone else and said he wanted to ride.

and of course PC was never the same rider after his injury at cradley in late 1980, a meeting he is adamant should never have gone ahead due to the conditions.

[oldace]

and of course PC was never the same rider after his injury at cradley in late 1980, a meeting he is adamant should never have gone ahead due to the conditions.

 

 

It was actually called of earlier in the day and was reinstated at the insistence of the BSPA because time was running out in the season. PC, as you say, effectively had his career ended and Chris Morton also took a knock.

[Grand Central]

Just to be safe, for certain.

Let's stop altogether.

Shut the whole sport down as it far, far too dangerous.

 

Then have a laugh at how easy those 18 would find a real job that paid them half as well.

 

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Edited April 23, 2015 by Grand Central

[Gavan]

I suggest you watch the 1984 British Final, when Morton in particular was very vocal about calling the meeting off. And it probably would have been had Kenny Carter not gone against everyone else and said he wanted to ride.

 

Is that the one where it was atrociuosly wet conditions bordering on waterlogged, and if you went off the line you slid off?

 

Or was it the one where a couple of riders hit ruts and the one guy who was struggling to stay on had a bad wrist anyway

 

You cant compere the 2 meetings at all for track conditions. That British Final was far more dangerous than the gp in Warsaw

and of course PC was never the same rider after his injury at cradley in late 1980, a meeting he is adamant should never have gone ahead due to the conditions.

i have no idea what the conditions were in this meeting. wet or rutty?

[Humphrey Appleby]

Some criticism of BSI and their response, and non existent crisis management. They will have 'get their act together' in the main.

Yup, Olsen clearly being set-up for the fall in the Spar, with only relatively mild criticism of BSI given the circumstances.

 

Wonder who the 'blue chip crisis management expert' commenting was?

[oldace]

and of course PC was never the same rider after his injury at cradley in late 1980, a meeting he is adamant should never have gone ahead due to the conditions.

 

 

 

 

i have no idea what the conditions were in this meeting. wet or rutty?

 

 

Wet, very very wet. The sort of conditions were it is correct to call off a meeting. In those conditions riders can't see, riding blind in mud is very dangerous.

[speedibee]

Yeah. The FS1-E Challenge Cup would be a good one to start on.

I know what he means

[spook]

It depends on how you view it........... if the owners are interested in speedway holding events in their stadium then it is in their interest to open the doors as early as they can ................. and it's up to the promoters to get that across to them

 

and if it isnt possible? then either Speedway needs to scientifically learn new ways or the promoters move on until they find a stadium where they can have a week before

 

 

Stadium owners just want to fill their stadia with events - they generally couldn't care less with what. They rent out the stadium to third party promoters, whether that's speedway or a rock concert, and it's up to those promoters to organise the events, sell the tickets and take the financial risk. It's largely irrelevant to the stadium how the event is run, whether it's cancelled, or whatever... provided the stadium is not damaged and returned in the same condition it was hired in (although the stadium probably takes responsibility for post event cleaning).

 

They'll no doubt also charge for every day the stadium is rented to a third party, even if the stadium is otherwise not required, because the renters will still be using electricity and other facilities. For big events you might get a certain lead-in time for preparation as part of the hire cost, but I'd be surprised if it's more than a couple of days for no extra charge.

 

well yes ive bought and sold a few items and understand the concept ..... but ive also had to provide some service and in some instances bend over backwards to bring the trade in...... transactions are a two way thing.........

 

are we thinking that BSI are paying the guys who own the Millenium Stadium full rates for each of the days leading up to the GP? I suspect if they were they wouldnt be making much... if at all anything.... even with a couple of free days before

 

For example if Bruce Springsteen played the Millenium Stadium....... using crude percentages how much do we think the owners are getting from the event? I would be suprised if they werent getting 20%...... start giving them money for 7 days leading up to it and you wont have any left for yourself

 

and the line of mine that you didnt quote is of course the alternative for if they are unable to negotiate longer terms with a stadium that they would like to stage a GP in........ keep looking and meanwhile pushing forward with the science of it, with the intention of reducing the time the track building takes

 

Yup, Olsen clearly being set-up for the fall in the Spar, with only relatively mild criticism of BSI given the circumstances.

 

Wonder who the 'blue chip crisis management expert' commenting was?

 

I hope they are confident that they will be able to successfully replace him if that is the intention. The last thing they need is to bring someone in who cannot get it right

[Humphrey Appleby]

For example if Bruce Springsteen played the Millenium Stadium....... using crude percentages how much do we think the owners are getting from the event? I would be suprised if they werent getting 20%...... start giving them money for 7 days leading up to it and you wont have any left for yourself

 

I've read somewhere that Wembley costs 250k per day to rent, plus 10% of the gate takings.

 

The Millennium would probably be somewhat cheaper, not least because it's subsidised by the Welsh government. My guess would be maybe half that amount, but a lower fee for the extra days for track building/dismantling.

 

So maybe half a million quid in total for the week - but that's really something of a guess.

Edited April 23, 2015 by Humphrey Appleby

[SCB]

Whatever happened to Ole Olsen roll up track he talked about back in 2003ish?

[Humphrey Appleby]

Whatever happened to Ole Olsen roll up track he talked about back in 2003ish?

 

Or the one with chicanes in the bends?

[Grand Central]

Time and again in the riders' quotes it seems that it really is all about not being able to cope with green lights starts.

That was the clincher.

 

I'm amazed that so many of them go through a pre-race ritual of 'practice starts' all around the track on the way to the tapes.

All that practice without tapes.
How on earth do they do it?

And then on the big night, when the tapes are taken away
They are impotent.
All limp and flaccid.

Little boys like that are best just playing with themselves.

[spook]

 

I've read somewhere that Wembley costs 250k per day to rent, plus 10% of the gate takings.

 

The Millennium would probably be somewhat cheaper, not least because it's subsidised by the Welsh government. My guess would be maybe half that amount, but a lower fee for the extra days for track building/dismantling.

 

So maybe half a million quid in total for the week - but that's really something of a guess.

 

I hadnt even considered the time taken to dismantle........ based on that Wembley price your estimation probably isnt far off ........ for it to be protected as the only GB GP for all these years I cannot imagine BSI are giving the Millenium Stadium the lion's share