remembertheracers Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Just taking a different tack for a moment. It took THIRTY FOUR years for Speedway to get a crowd in excess of 50,000. The last one being at Wembley in 1981. And yet on Saturday night the riders have effectively ensured that no other crowd of that size may ever attend a Speedway meeting again. Ever. Quite amazing to think of that, isn't it? And hardly surprising that they have taken a vow of silence on the matter, either. Just taking a different tack for a moment. It took THIRTY FOUR years for Speedway to get a crowd in excess of 50,000. The last one being at Wembley in 1981. And yet on Saturday night the riders have effectively ensured that no other crowd of that size may ever attend a Speedway meeting again. Ever. Quite amazing to think of that, isn't it? And hardly surprising that they have taken a vow of silence on the matter, either. Stark, stunning and accurate observational post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 The 18 SGP riders should be ashamed of themselves ! had better opinions of some of them than they have reacted (or rather not reacted !). Treating the people (us fans) with contempt ! Time for the SEC to bring on a championship of integrity and honest riders for the fans to appreciate. (Only hope for a packed new Belle Vue in 2016 to rival Cardiff and their inferior championship) plus hopefully Lawrence, Steele have picked up their last pay cheques from their involvement in Speedway - well, at least being associated as being English bring on my suspension from speedway-forum for having a go at the "establishment " You do know who backs OneSport don't you? And their recent actions in the sport?? Let's just say, the fans in Warsaw got to see 12 heats of speedway... another sold out crowd saw none because of dummy spitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 22, 2015 Report Share Posted April 22, 2015 Just a thought on the length of time to lay a temporary track - if more time is required it means hiring the venue for more days!! They don't give the venue free!! So any extra hire cost will be passed onto the fans in even more expensive ticket prices! It depends on how you view it........... if the owners are interested in speedway holding events in their stadium then it is in their interest to open the doors as early as they can ................. and it's up to the promoters to get that across to them and if it isnt possible? then either Speedway needs to scientifically learn new ways or the promoters move on until they find a stadium where they can have a week before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 It depends on how you view it........... if the owners are interested in speedway holding events in their stadium then it is in their interest to open the doors as early as they can ................. and it's up to the promoters to get that across to them Stadium owners just want to fill their stadia with events - they generally couldn't care less with what. They rent out the stadium to third party promoters, whether that's speedway or a rock concert, and it's up to those promoters to organise the events, sell the tickets and take the financial risk. It's largely irrelevant to the stadium how the event is run, whether it's cancelled, or whatever... provided the stadium is not damaged and returned in the same condition it was hired in (although the stadium probably takes responsibility for post event cleaning). They'll no doubt also charge for every day the stadium is rented to a third party, even if the stadium is otherwise not required, because the renters will still be using electricity and other facilities. For big events you might get a certain lead-in time for preparation as part of the hire cost, but I'd be surprised if it's more than a couple of days for no extra charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Well, just devoured my Speedway Star online. My thoughts to start the ball rolling are No cover up of the humiliating disaster that was Saturday night. Peter Oakes gives a pretty comprehensive two-page resume of the unfolding nightmare.Some criticism of BSI and their response, and non existent crisis management. They will have 'get their act together' in the main. But it generally looks like Ole will be carrying the can, pretty much on his own. Philip Rising, and others, cover the same ground with undoubted exasperation. The dopey set of officials are one by one exonerated by the Star. And the riders are getting off scot-free. Being actually praised for their behaviour.On more than one occasion in fact. Utterly dreadful This quote from Pedersen. "But on the night, there were 18 riders who didn't want to ride and that's a very good thing for speedway" That must be one of the must disgusting quotes of any Speedway rider in the history of the sport. Edited April 23, 2015 by Grand Central 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 This quote from Pedersen. "But on the night, there were 18 riders who didn't want to ride and that's a very good thing for speedway" That must be one of the must disgusting quotes of any Speedway rider in the history of the sport. Also on the night there were 55,000 spectators who dont want anything to do with the sport anymore, is that another good thing Nicki? What a wally 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Cant believe this thread is still running? Its obvious as to why the meeting was stopped yet some still cant or refuse to see it. The riders are simply a disgrace to the sport for getting it stopped I truly believe if we had no isue with the starting gate the meeting would have carried on. Look at the reports form Lynn where quite clearly riders were lifting after hitting a rut and losing positions. This is sppedway not riding round on a billiard table. Cant see anybody saying that Lynn should have been called off. As i say i await to see what happens at Cardiff as that notoriously cuts up pretty badly. I can name plenty of incidents at Cardiff where the track has caused problems. Anyone remember Crump collecting 2 ruts on the last corner AND straight and he bounced off the fence almost collecting Nicholls? This is a hard and dangerous sport and we are grateful thes boys put on a show for us, but do we all want to see follow my leader on nice smooth slick tracks? Im sure the riders of yester year, Collins , Morton even more recently Loram, are finding the whole thing quite pathetic 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 As i say i await to see what happens at Cardiff as that notoriously cuts up pretty badly. I can name plenty of incidents at Cardiff where the track has caused problems. Yes, but maybe the riders have tired of riding on dodgy surfaces at the sport's premier event. You wouldn't ask England cricketers to play a test match on a rutted wicket, even though it might be tolerated in a county or club game. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yes, but maybe the riders have tired of riding on dodgy surfaces at the sport's premier event. You wouldn't ask England cricketers to play a test match on a rutted wicket, even though it might be tolerated in a county or club game. As the test match in Antigua against England abandoned in 2009 after 10 balls will testify. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) The 18 SGP riders should be ashamed of themselves ! had better opinions of some of them than they have reacted (or rather not reacted !). Treating the people (us fans) with contempt ! Time for the SEC to bring on a championship of integrity and honest riders for the fans to appreciate. (Only hope for a packed new Belle Vue in 2016 to rival Cardiff and their inferior championship) plus hopefully Lawrence, Steele have picked up their last pay cheques from their involvement in Speedway - well, at least being associated as being English bring on my suspension from speedway-forum for having a go at the "establishment " Cardiff is a tourist party weekend with a speedway meeting thrown in. cant see Gorton being quite the same somehow , so it will be back to ,take their money get them in and out as fast as possible , frankly if thats whats on offer I'm Out Edited April 23, 2015 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) Yes, but maybe the riders have tired of riding on dodgy surfaces at the sport's premier event. You wouldn't ask England cricketers to play a test match on a rutted wicket, even though it might be tolerated in a county or club game.Depends if it was dangerous or not.As the test match in Antigua against England abandoned in 2009 after 10 balls will testify.Any game of cricket wouldn't continue on that surface or outfield. County's get fined for poor wickets in County cricket FA Cup finals were played on a less than ideal playing surface when Wembley was rebuilt. You are not always going to get perfect conditions in any sport at any level. Dangerous then yes abandon it, abandoning it because it's not ideal is just the completely the wrong mindset. Edited April 23, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yes, but maybe the riders have tired of riding on dodgy surfaces at the sport's premier event. You wouldn't ask England cricketers to play a test match on a rutted wicket, even though it might be tolerated in a county or club game. Cricket can afford to abandon a showpiece event ,because people are prepared to throw money at the pathetic borefest .. speedway does not have the same luxury , the government and banks weren't paying the riders to be there on Saturday. The people who they let down were ,, I don't have a problem if Nicki Pedersen thinks it's dangerous and doesn't want to ride , let him pack his clobber and go home , but he wasn't going to do that ,Him and some others wanted all the riders to call it off so they all lost points . but it didn't work out like that ,Thank god and they still lost out . not quite as much as people who had bought tickets Air flights and hotels though. and not nearly as much as speedway itself lost out . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleoleole Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 If anybody fancies trying their luck and asking questions of one of the key figures on Saturday, Tony Steele will be the guest of the NSSC next Tuesday 28th April at 8pm. Everybody welcome. £3 for non-members. All proceeds go to help the British Young Lions (Under 16's). Please note our new venue, just off M6 Junction 2; http://www.nuneatonspeedwaysupportersclub.co.uk/directions/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yes, but maybe the riders have tired of riding on dodgy surfaces at the sport's premier event. You wouldn't ask England cricketers to play a test match on a rutted wicket, even though it might be tolerated in a county or club game. Utterly incomparable and irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 If anybody fancies trying their luck and asking questions of one of the key figures on Saturday, Tony Steele will be the guest of the NSSC next Tuesday 28th April at 8pm. Everybody welcome. £3 for non-members. All proceeds go to help the British Young Lions (Under 16's). Please note our new venue, just off M6 Junction 2; http://www.nuneatonspeedwaysupportersclub.co.uk/directions/ Probly more chance of getting a straight answer from a politician. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 If anybody fancies trying their luck and asking questions of one of the key figures on Saturday, Tony Steele will be the guest of the NSSC next Tuesday 28th April at 8pm. 'Was he born with no testicles or did he have them surgically removed?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Well, just devoured my Speedway Star online. The dopey set of officials are one by one exonerated by the Star. . Oh my word, Speedwáy Star in refusing to blame officials shock. Theres a surprise. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 'Was he born with no testicles or did he have them surgically removed?' he's always been a useless ninny , I still havent forgot his catastophic mistake refereeing at Belle vue Which cost the aces the match ,, then the stupid Ninny goes and apologises to John Perrin for it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Depends if it was dangerous or not.Any game of cricket wouldn't continue on that surface or outfield. County's get fined for poor wickets in County cricket FA Cup finals were played on a less than ideal playing surface when Wembley was rebuilt. You are not always going to get perfect conditions in any sport at any level. Dangerous then yes abandon it, abandoning it because it's not ideal is just the completely the wrong mindset. The difficulty is where to you draw the border line between "not ideal" and dangerous. I remember years ago in another area of motorcycling the organisers dismissed complaints of an unsafe track at Monza. The riders went out to give a full throttle show and the result was two dead and twelve injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 23, 2015 Report Share Posted April 23, 2015 Cant believe this thread is still running? Its obvious as to why the meeting was stopped yet some still cant or refuse to see it. The riders are simply a disgrace to the sport for getting it stopped I truly believe if we had no isue with the starting gate the meeting would have carried on. Look at the reports form Lynn where quite clearly riders were lifting after hitting a rut and losing positions. This is sppedway not riding round on a billiard table. Cant see anybody saying that Lynn should have been called off. As i say i await to see what happens at Cardiff as that notoriously cuts up pretty badly. I can name plenty of incidents at Cardiff where the track has caused problems. Anyone remember Crump collecting 2 ruts on the last corner AND straight and he bounced off the fence almost collecting Nicholls? This is a hard and dangerous sport and we are grateful thes boys put on a show for us, but do we all want to see follow my leader on nice smooth slick tracks? Im sure the riders of yester year, Collins , Morton even more recently Loram, are finding the whole thing quite pathetic Completely agree with this. Part of the skill of a rider for me is their ability to pick which bits of the track they ride on and have the ability to turn the throttle both ways, as needed. The latest high-revving engines don't help admittedly but you could see on saturday who were racing and who were struggling. This fashion for right leg lifting also makes the bike much less stable and prone to lifting our of control. As Gavan says, top class ex-riders have commented on the track and it's comparison to tracks when they rode - it's simply speedway and ruts, deep surfaces etc. have always been part of it. Maybe some riders should think how dangerous it is when they fence, turn left, or ride into opponents - as Batchelor clearly did to Pedersen on Saturday but got away with it - should there be stronger penalties, it's dangerous after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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