Starman2006 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) ame="Oldace" post="2602657" timestamp="1429645543"] Pardon? I assume you mean Olsen, not Olsson I think SCB was still cracking his teeth on rusks, or wasn't even thought of when OLSEN was riding... Good rider he Was, doesn't make him suitable for the job he has.. Many good footballers turn to management, doesn't mean to say they'll make good managers. And if they don't produce the goods what happens to them ? Edited April 21, 2015 by Starman2006 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 WK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZKowTuMSSk Go to 1hr and 15 mins and watch Heat 11. Forget what you know happened afterwards. There is absolutely no way in the world you could remotely begin to think that is a track 'too dangerous' to race on. It's a cracking race between Jonasson and Gollob.. not one filled with mistakes, not bucking and rearing, just simply a good speedway race which requires a decent track to happen!! One should also note Iversen, wheel perfect and VERY fast in winning the race... what's his reaction at the end? Is he shaking his head as riders do when they think it's dangerous? Oh no, he's punching the air in celebration. Indeed, carry on watching and you get a shot of Iversen back in the pits.. "Thumbs up" to the camera, not a care in the world. Again NOT the actions of someone who thinks the track is dangerous. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I wonder if some of the problem with preparing and indoor track could be the difficulty of containing too much loose top surface most indoors have several rows of seats covered to prevent too much dirt getting onto seating , and if too much top surface is applied then more will get showered further out ,, so the surface has to be made harder than normal and consequently once the very hard crust is breached and the softer underbelly is exposed the inconsistencies become apparent with areas of slick and grip .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I wonder if some of the problem with preparing and indoor track could be the difficulty of containing too much loose top surface most indoors have several rows of seats covered to prevent too much dirt getting onto seating , and if too much top surface is applied then more will get showered further out ,, so the surface has to be made harder than normal and consequently once the very hard crust is breached and the softer underbelly is exposed the inconsistencies become apparent with areas of slick and grip .. Nothing to do with that. Its time and giving the track chance to bed in , then keep rolling it. lightly spike it lightly water then keep rolling it. but if you have crap for shale, your wasting your time whatever you do. But trying to put an indoor temporary track in in 3 days or a week is madness. you need time. and track before profit. Saturday proved, if you don't have the stage, that's what you'll get... Edited April 21, 2015 by Starman2006 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I think SCB was still cracking his teeth on rusks, or wasn't even thought of when OLSEN was riding... Good rider he Was, doesn't make him suitable for the job he has.. Many good footballers turn to management, doesn't mean to say they'll make good managers. And if they don't produce the goods what happens to them ? They become tv pundits and steal a living that way instead, jobs for the boys. I wonder if some of the problem with preparing and indoor track could be the difficulty of containing too much loose top surface most indoors have several rows of seats covered to prevent too much dirt getting onto seating , and if too much top surface is applied then more will get showered further out ,, so the surface has to be made harder than normal and consequently once the very hard crust is breached and the softer underbelly is exposed the inconsistencies become apparent with areas of slick and grip .. I think the covered seats are more to do with the fact that they can't sell them because they don't offer a view of the track due the the height of the air-fence, could be wrong though. Also I thought the dirt deflectors stop the shale flying up, or have they stopped using them now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) They become tv pundits and steal a living that way instead, jobs for the boys. I think the covered seats are more to do with the fact that they can't sell them because they don't offer a view of the track due the the height of the air-fence, could be wrong though. Also I thought the dirt deflectors stop the shale flying up, or have they stopped using them now? Still doesn't change the argument. no the covered seats are for safety reasons I think you'll find.. Edited April 21, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbrussell Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Why are people saying there has been no apology? BSI have apologised to fans in their statement on www.speedwaygp.com and are 'understanding of the FIM Jury's decision to declare the meeting'. It seems clear that further investigations are taking place - but whether fans will ever get the full story, rather than whatever the different players decide to give the media - will remain to be seen. Why are people saying there has been no apology? BSI have apologised to fans in their statement on www.speedwaygp.com and are 'understanding of the FIM Jury's decision to declare the meeting'. I don't recall that we ever got the full story for what happened at Gelsenkirchen, and I doubt the truth will emerge from Warsaw either. The words carpet and sweeping spring to mind. It seems clear that further investigations are taking place - but whether fans will ever get the full story, rather than whatever the different players decide to give the media - will remain to be seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Still doesn't change the argument. no the covered seats are for safety reasons I think you'll find.. C'mon then. Explain this one. In what way does covering the seats make them safer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 C'mon then. Explain this one. In what way does covering the seats make them safer? Think you'll find its a heath an safety thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Ole Olsen has ridden a speedway bike. He has won many World Titles. He has prepared more tracks than most. Yet a few people on here seem to be arguing with his expert opinion. Thats odd. As I don't believe they have won as much as him on a speedway bike or preped as many tracks. just because Olsen won a few world finals doesn't mean he is a great track curator. Doc Bridgett was never a world champion, but is one of the best track men in the business. Perhaps BSI should give him a call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I see there is now an article on sportowefakty where KK says that it was correct to end the meeting at heat 12. The auto translations are never great but he doesn't seem to make any comment about the track surface, just the green light starts! Edited April 21, 2015 by HenryW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I see there is now an article on sportowefakty where KK says that it was correct to end the meeting at heat 12. The auto translations are never great but he doesn't seem to make any comment about the track surface, just the green light starts! Exactly what several posters have been saying, it was less about the track but about the green light start but that is in the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 We said at the time and I stand by it now, if the tapes were working that meeting would have continued 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Anyone seen the article by Kasprzak? Right decision to call the meeting off because off the green light!! Never mentions the track. Please people stop banging on about a poor track because quite clearly it wasnt We said at the time and I stand by it now, if the tapes were working that meeting would have continued one million percent correct! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 And for that Im furious with the riders. It was the same for everyone, no reason for it to be stopped. Massive Massive let down. They should realize who pay their wages & what industry they are in. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 C'mon then. Explain this one. In what way does covering the seats make them safer? It stops people sitting in them. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Think you'll find its a heath an safety thing. So come on then. Explain the logic of that one. How does covering the seats improve H&S? just because Olsen won a few world finals doesn't mean he is a great track curator. Doc Bridgett was never a world champion, but is one of the best track men in the business. Perhaps BSI should give him a call. Really? Nah. Can't be true. We're told that the riders are experts so they know best. But it seems that despite Ole Olson being an expert his opinion doesn't count. I'm confused now. Edited April 21, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 The first one to break the silence. And the lies about the track are laid bare. Those 'men' deserve no sycophants to jump to their defence. What a disgraceful bunch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I see there is now an article on sportowefakty where KK says that it was correct to end the meeting at heat 12. The auto translations are never great but he doesn't seem to make any comment about the track surface, just the green light starts! *checks to see how many points KK scored* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw42 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 And for that Im furious with the riders. It was the same for everyone, no reason for it to be stopped. Massive Massive let down. They should realize who pay their wages & what industry they are in. I can feel your pain, what a journey you made to end up being treated with such contempt, I would be livid if I'd travelled a couple of hundred miles never mind over 4,000. As you say they need to understand they are in the entertainment business and without fans they have no jobs, the sooner the sport is taken by the scruff of the neck and brought into line the better. It's rotten from the top down. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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