E I Addio Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) It's absolutely categorically 100% fact that the riders were responsible for the meeting to be postponed.. that point is never in doubt. Ultimately it was not the riders but the FIM jury that signed the track off as unfit. That is what the record now says. The rules very likely say something to the effect that the FIM jury are solely responsible for the decision . They could have deemed the track race worthy and ordered the riderst to carry on or face suspension. Whether they should have made a different decision is or irrelevant now as rightly or wrongly they have signed the meeting off as unfit to race. In due course they will no doubt be called upon to explain their decision, especially if there are legal proceedings. Edited April 21, 2015 by E I Addio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Fredrik Lindgren tweeted he didn't see anything wrong with it. As mentioned prior neither Tatum or Nicholls had the slightest thought that the meeting was going to be abandoned... again this is unprecedented.. when a track is too dangerous to ride, the commentators are fully aware of it and saying the meeting is in doubt for some time prior. Neither did former riders via Twitter who alluded to riders wanting billiard tables to compare their bikes on at full gas, rather than control the throttle around the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPNY Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 WK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZKowTuMSSk Go to 1hr and 15 mins and watch Heat 11. Forget what you know happened afterwards. There is absolutely no way in the world you could remotely begin to think that is a track 'too dangerous' to race on. It's a cracking race between Jonasson and Gollob.. not one filled with mistakes, not bucking and rearing, just simply a good speedway race which requires a decent track to happen!! One should also note Iversen, wheel perfect and VERY fast in winning the race... what's his reaction at the end? Is he shaking his head as riders do when they think it's dangerous? Oh no, he's punching the air in celebration. Indeed, carry on watching and you get a shot of Iversen back in the pits.. "Thumbs up" to the camera, not a care in the world. Again NOT the actions of someone who thinks the track is dangerous. This 100% sums it up. That track was fine. and the racing was getting better. Harris Hancock & THJ Gollob were both great races with good clean passes. There was no reason for that to be canceled and when the riders are back riding in front of 2-5k they will only have themselves to blame. For all those going on about these meetings should be on permanent tracks, that's what the riders & fans want, that is bull. Did the Danes love riding in Parken (a lot more then Vojens) because the track was so good? No it was the prestige of riding in their National Stadium. Do ALL the riders want to be at Cardiff because the track is so great? Again no, it's the prestige, the atmosphere, the experience. The riders need to realize that they act like that again, those opportunities will soon disappear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Ultimately it was not the riders but the FIM jury that signed the track off as unfit. That is what the record now says. The rules very likely say something to the effect that the FIM jury are solely responsible for the decision . They could have deemed the track race worthy and ordered the riderst to carry on or face suspension. Whether they should have made a different decision is or irrelevant now as rightly or wrongly they have signed the meeting off as unfit to race. In due course they will no doubt be called upon to explain their decision, especially if there are legal proceedings.It was not FACT !! that the riders caused the posponement Witcher this has made my year i will enjoy and revell in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 It was not FACT !! that the riders caused the posponement Witcher this has made my year i will enjoy and revell in it. So you think that at heat 12 the jury decided the track wasn't safe and the ruders disappeared into a meeting to convince them otherwise. Yeh right. The riders decided they were not carrying on and railroaded a weak jury into going along with them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 It's staggering. Throughout the entire history of the sport, when faced with a 'dangerous track' riders show little inclination to race. They two wheel into corners, they make their feelings known when interviewed.. they're getting out of shape consistently.. Yet funnily enough, this track had the bizarre ability to be 'dangerous' yet not cause any of these things to happen! Indeed, quite the opposite, riders were really going for it, diving underneath each other with no fear. Then all of a sudden, despite not a peep prior from any rider about the track they decide its too dangerous to continue! Just like that.. What changed between their 3rd rides and what would have been their 4th?? Absolutely nothing... except they'd reached the point where they get paid. You might lose the arguement? oh dear makes me think do you really care about Speedway?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Every post you attack me not a problem to me, calm down going by some i know on this forum they all say you are a CLOWN i have to agree have a great night.!! Sidney its not just you mate. Gavan seems to have a problem, with anybody who has an opinion, especially if they come from Poole. Im just wondering if he and Bwitcher are the same person or brothers. They both have the same aggressive personallity. even if you are right, and you put up a valid post. which they would ignore, and find something else to dicect get their teeth into.. Quite sad really. But then... Edited April 21, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) So you think that at heat 12 the jury decided the track wasn't safe and the ruders disappeared into a meeting to convince them otherwise. Yeh right. The riders decided they were not carrying on and railroaded a weak jury into going along with them. They put there lives on the line do YOU ? i knew on the Friday there were big problems with this track.I think thing's should of improved but they didnt forget the Saturday meeting the practice on the Friday was really bad by all accounts.Sidney its not just you mate. Gavan seems to have a problem, with anybody who has an opinion, especially if they come from Poole. Im just wondering if he and Bwitcher are the same person or brothers. They both have the same aggressive personallity. even if you are right, and you put up a valid post. which they would ignore, and find something else to get their teeth into.. Quite sad really.They are right sometimes Starman, and and i hate to say it i listen to what they have to say i respect them.I know i react terribly at times and that is a a shortcoming i have but they regularly KILL you off and TWIST thing's to there way and it is there way only.These two on the Forum with Oldace,Blazeaway for me are glorified forum bullies,they know how to play the game and cleverly. Edited April 21, 2015 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 They put there lives on the line do YOU ? i knew on the Friday there were big problems with this track.I think thing's should of improved but they didnt forget the Saturday meeting the practice on the Friday was really bad by all accounts.They are right sometimes Starman, and and i hate to say it i listen to what they have to say i respect them.I know i react terribly at times and that uis a shortcomiing i have but they regularly KILL you off and TWIST thing's to there way and it is there way only.These two on the Forum with Oldace,Blazeaway for me are glorified forum bullies,they know how to play the game and cleverly.dear oh dear oh dear what an incredibly stupid response. Let's get one thing clear. Starman is a clown and not very bright his opinions mean nothing. You Sidney do have some knowledge and I expect better of you. The track was fine. Read the whole thread and you will find most agree with that. Let's see what the riders do at Cardiff if it gets bumpy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 dear oh dear oh dear what an incredibly stupid response. Let's get one thing clear. Starman is a clown and not very bright his opinions mean nothing. You Sidney do have some knowledge and I expect better of you. The track was fine. Read the whole thread and you will find most agree with that. Let's see what the riders do at Cardiff if it gets bumpy!I have some knowledge but how would you know you have never met me.Starman believe me does know his speedway/and sport do you i have my doubts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 .These two on the Forum with Oldace,Blazeaway for me are glorified forum bullies,they know how to play the game and cleverly. I dont play any games Sidney, but I can accept being wrong without getting in a tizzy. Actually along with your rants you often make valid contributions that I find myself agreeing with. Your assertion earlier re Wembley 81 was a point I agree 100% with. You seem to have a good knowledge of the sport in the main but you are so hostile when anyone disagrees with you. Anyway about that fight, Thursday ok with you 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Oh, for gods sake. This is just ridiculous. What is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) What is?[/quote Edited April 21, 2015 by Oldace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I dont play any games Sidney, but I can accept being wrong without getting in a tizzy. Actually along with your rants you often make valid contributions that I find myself agreeing with. Your assertion earlier re Wembley 81 was a point I agree 100% with. You seem to have a good knowledge of the sport in the main but you are so hostile when anyone disagrees with you. Anyway about that fight, Thursday ok with you No problem you know where I am, hostile i think not one or two suspects rile me on here and you are one of them.There are lots of people on here i really respect bigtime are great company have great knowledge. You know your stuff as well but you know how to get a reaction out of me my problem Thursday night it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Oh really? Not all spectators understand track conditions I grant you, but hypothetically what about a former rider, someone who graced the world stage for many years who was there in a spectator or commentary capacity. Would his opinion be equally of no consequence? Are you saying only the 18 riders elected to ride are allowed to give opinion on the tracks state? Yes Only those who rode the track could say whether it was safe or unsafe - note, it was deemed to be unsafe, not dangerous Someone who has ridden on another track on another day could not opine on Warsaw Saturday night Fredrik Lindgren tweeted he didn't see anything wrong with it. As mentioned prior neither Tatum or Nicholls had the slightest thought that the meeting was going to be abandoned... again this is unprecedented.. when a track is too dangerous to ride, the commentators are fully aware of it and saying the meeting is in doubt for some time prior. But Lindgren didn't ride it, nor did Tatum or Nicholls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) Ole Olsen has ridden a speedway bike. He has won many World Titles. He has prepared more tracks than most. Yet a few people on here seem to be arguing with his expert opinion. Thats odd. As I don't believe they have won as much as him on a speedway bike or preped as many tracks. Edited April 21, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 What is?[/quote Pardon? Ole Olsson has ridden a speedway bike. He has won many World Titles. He has prepared more tracks than most. Yet a few people on here seem to be arguing with his expert opinion. Thats odd. As I don't believe they have won as much as him on a speedway bike or preped as many tracks. I assume you mean Olsen, not Olsson Where does his expert opinion come into this? His company/he was responsible for laying a track deemed by riders who rode it to be unsafe - where is his "expert opinion"? Or have I missed a statement from him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yes Only those who rode the track could say whether it was safe or unsafe - note, it was deemed to be unsafe, not dangerous Someone who has ridden on another track on another day could not opine on Warsaw Saturday night But Lindgren didn't ride it, nor did Tatum or Nicholls what you are talking about there Midland Red is unbeatable rider power most of us arent stupid........ we have memory banks of umpteen matches meetings and races and in most instances could provide an opinion on conditions......................... then some of us have also been riders ............ and some have also been officials........................ the suggestion that only the 18 riders on the night should have an opinion on whether the track was dangerous is over the top................. should they have an opinion? yes of course very much so and the officials should carefully listen and consider............... should whatever the riders say goes? no that would be ludicrous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KARLMAIER Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 Why all the bickering? I don't get it........doesn't change a single thing. What we do know is that collectively, the riders pulled the meeting using the FIM jury to legitimise/ sanction their decision, i.e. make it official and take the heat of the riders. If they had actually wanted to continue the meeting and race, then they most certainly would have continued. Doesn't matter whether the FIM originally approved the track or not, Ole Olsen and his team were responsible for laying it, if indeed there was anything wrong with it at all. Not only that but you would have thought that by now Ole would have had enough experience under his belt to at least provide a track capable of lasting for 30 minutes racing (allowing for a couple of re-runs) The only way, in my eyes, that the entire bunch of f@#king retards can redeem themselves is to start over and make the next GP (wherever it is), round 1. They then add Warsaw back in to the calender after Melbourne so it becomes the 12th and final GP in the series and to all those who originally bought tickets offer free entry. This way the almighty disaster that should never have been, can be considered a dress rehearsal for the real thing, that or "how not to run a world class speedway event". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2015 Report Share Posted April 21, 2015 I assume you mean Olsen, not Olsson Where does his expert opinion come into this? His company/he was responsible for laying a track deemed by riders who rode it to be unsafe - where is his "expert opinion"? Or have I missed a statement from him? Correct I do. I'm using the same screwed up logic that says the rider are experts so can demand what they like. They apparently know how to ride a bike as thats their job. So I'm pointing out that using that stupid theory that Ole Olsen is an expert track man who he knows how to build a track. So you need a statement from him?Don't you think he's professional enough to only provide them with a good track? And wheres this statement that says the riders through the track was unfit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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