robert72 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 I thought we had cleared this myth up...Nicki had no input into Doyle's exclusion. The only thing that got Doyle excluded was him dropping the clutch about half a second before the green light went off...I hope he is suitably embarrassed at his grumpy claims to Phil Morris that he went with the light when several camera angles proved that he was WAY ahead of the light Where did this quote from Bomber come from? Was it an interview during the meeting and if so, at what point? After Heat 8 he said to Steve Brandon that he thought the track was good and then he went out and Won heat 9 so surely he wouldn't then say the track is dangerous ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) I thought we had cleared this myth up...Nicki had no input into Doyle's exclusion. The only thing that got Doyle excluded was him dropping the clutch about half a second before the green light went off...I hope he is suitably embarrassed at his grumpy claims to Phil Morris that he went with the light when several camera angles proved that he was WAY ahead of the light Where did this quote from Bomber come from? Was it an interview during the meeting and if so, at what point? After Heat 8 he said to Steve Brandon that he thought the track was good and then he went out and Won heat 9 so surely he wouldn't then say the track is dangerous ? This is the point about 'clearing things up'. That will never happen. It is always going to be 'one person's word against another'. Or one person's view against another's back-covering denial On in Bomber's case his OWN word against his OWN word just few minutes later. Edited April 25, 2015 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Or the rest of his 12,315 posts. To Starman's defense, he's made some valid points on track preparation 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Did you see the pic of the track in the star, where you could clearly see the vehicle tracks in it, track was very soft at that point! Re what Bomber said in his interview on tele, he said the racing was gonna get better lol, I thought at the time it was only gonna get worse not better on that track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Can't be bothered to trawl right thro this but re Doyle's exclusion did I read somewhere that the exclusion lights were not working and the phone link from ref box to pits was also not working. If that's the case it would explain the very long delay before Doyle was informed of the decision and Nicki asking Phil Morris why he hadn't been when riders had been told no leniency would be shown. If the above is correct it's just adding more fuel to the fire that the organisers/BSI/FIM were negligent in not testing equipment before the event. Apologies if I dreamt the whole thing but have been suffering with flu this week so hallucinations are possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Did you see the pic of the track in the star, where you could clearly see the vehicle tracks in it, track was very soft at that point! Re what Bomber said in his interview on tele, he said the racing was gonna get better lol, I thought at the time it was only gonna get worse not better on that track! Tyre tracks on a speedway track? Unbelievable, never seen that before.... Edited April 25, 2015 by BWitcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Don't know if it's been mentioned before but how many times did the start girls line up in the wrong lanes? Just something else that went wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesey2 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Can't be bothered to trawl right thro this but re Doyle's exclusion did I read somewhere that the exclusion lights were not working and the phone link from ref box to pits was also not working. If that's the case it would explain the very long delay before Doyle was informed of the decision and Nicki asking Phil Morris why he hadn't been when riders had been told no leniency would be shown. If the above is correct it's just adding more fuel to the fire that the organisers/BSI/FIM were negligent in not testing equipment before the event. Apologies if I dreamt the whole thing but have been suffering with flu this week so hallucinations are possible When versions of the truth are one persons view against another, (i.e. Lawrence or Doyle) it will depend on who you believe. In this case I would have thought we could actually get to the bottom of things as there were 15 other riders in the meeting to discuss starting on the green light. Was it agreed that leniency would be shown or not? Can one of the other 15 can let us know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reevesey2 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Don't know if it's been mentioned before but how many times did the start girls line up in the wrong lanes? Just something else that went wrong. Ah - so now we know what Pedersen was complaining to the ref about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badge Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Can't be bothered to trawl right thro this but re Doyle's exclusion did I read somewhere that the exclusion lights were not working and the phone link from ref box to pits was also not working. If that's the case it would explain the very long delay before Doyle was informed of the decision and Nicki asking Phil Morris why he hadn't been when riders had been told no leniency would be shown. If the above is correct it's just adding more fuel to the fire that the organisers/BSI/FIM were negligent in not testing equipment before the event. Apologies if I dreamt the whole thing but have been suffering with flu this week so hallucinations are possible no don't think you are hallucinating SL I'm sure I read that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Tyre tracks on a speedway track? Unbelievable, never seen that before.... If you continue to roll and roll a damp track, any moisture deep down in the track underbelly is drawn to the surface, making the task of trying to roll out ruts even harder, eventually the track would start to dry, but in the micro climate of an indoor arena like that, maybe not...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 No drying in a freezing cold atmosphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 No drying in a freezing cold atmosphere. How cold was it trackside?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 If you continue to roll and roll a damp track, any moisture deep down in the track underbelly is drawn to the surface, making the task of trying to roll out ruts even harder, eventually the track would start to dry, but in the micro climate of an indoor arena like that, maybe not...... My comment was in jest. Trees used the fact she could see tracks as some kind of damning evidence. You see tracks on pretty much every speedway track! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 How cold was it trackside?? EXTREMELY ... it was actually warmer outside. The whole Doyle episode was very confusing. He clearly did move before the green light went out but it wasn't referee Jim Lawrence's intention to exclude him, only issue a warning. Something got lost in the communication to the pits and Jury President Tony Steele later apologised to the Aussie. I have a direct walkie-talkie link to the referee (via FIM SGP Secretary Graham Brodie, who sits next to him) and the race director and with all the noise reverberating around the stadium could barely hear a thing that was being said. It is the FIM who are responsible for testing equipment such as starting gate, lights etc (nothing to do with BSI) which was carried out numerous times during the day and again before the meeting. Somehow the gremlins got in but whether there it was due to the cold is conjecture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 EXTREMELY ... it was actually warmer outside. The whole Doyle episode was very confusing. He clearly did move before the green light went out but it wasn't referee Jim Lawrence's intention to exclude him, only issue a warning. Something got lost in the communication to the pits and Jury President Tony Steele later apologised to the Aussie. I have a direct walkie-talkie link to the referee (via FIM SGP Secretary Graham Brodie, who sits next to him) and the race director and with all the noise reverberating around the stadium could barely hear a thing that was being said. It is the FIM who are responsible for testing equipment such as starting gate, lights etc (nothing to do with BSI) which was carried out numerous times during the day and again before the meeting. Somehow the gremlins got in but whether there it was due to the cold is conjecture. The inside post was leaning towards the track from the first test that I saw, after riders presentation before heat one. It was the first test that I saw since I did not stand trackside all day. Just POSSIBLY it created enough friction and every test was a step in the "wrong" direction? Regarding other things, I have not seen every of the 180'sh GP's. But having today gone through my pics I noticed/thought that never before I've seen a GP so full of commercials. There were some, but not a lot of the speedwaygp.com adverts on the fence, practically all the canvases that were covering the top rows in stands were sold... I tried to do the match just how much money was invested in the TG wins banners around the stadium, but just felt bad the more I thought about it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 It is the FIM who are responsible for testing equipment such as starting gate, lights etc (nothing to do with BSI) which was carried out numerous times during the day and again before the meeting. Somehow the gremlins got in but whether there it was due to the cold is conjecture. Yes, but who is responsible for providing the equipment (and the spares)? All very well testing, but if there's something wrong with it that causes it to fail prematurely, that surely is down to the suppliers. The stuff about walkie talkies also made me chuckle. Didn't they go out with the Vietnam War? You know, it's also very loud at a Formula 1 race, but they have radios with headphones so the officials can communicate with each other. And there's even this amazing technology called SMS that teenagers use - you might have heard of it? LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) The inside post was leaning towards the track from the first test that I saw, after riders presentation before heat one. It was the first test that I saw since I did not stand trackside all day. Just POSSIBLY it created enough friction and every test was a step in the "wrong" direction? Why wasn't this picked up and rectified ? Seems the whole show was run by a bunch of unprofessional clowns. Edited April 25, 2015 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 Can't be bothered to trawl right thro this but re Doyle's exclusion did I read somewhere that the exclusion lights were not working and the phone link from ref box to pits was also not working. If that's the case it would explain the very long delay before Doyle was informed of the decision and Nicki asking Phil Morris why he hadn't been when riders had been told no leniency would be shown. If the above is correct it's just adding more fuel to the fire that the organisers/BSI/FIM were negligent in not testing equipment before the event. Apologies if I dreamt the whole thing but have been suffering with flu this week so hallucinations are possible No you didn't dream it SL. I'm certain I heard something similar. Hope that you are feeling better now. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 25, 2015 Report Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Yes, but who is responsible for providing the equipment (and the spares)? All very well testing, but if there's something wrong with it that causes it to fail prematurely, that surely is down to the suppliers. The stuff about walkie talkies also made me chuckle. Didn't they go out with the Vietnam War? You know, it's also very loud at a Formula 1 race, but they have radios with headphones so the officials can communicate with each other. And there's even this amazing technology called SMS that teenagers use - you might have heard of it? LOL The more he say's the worse he makes it all sound.............professional it isn't.They book a stadium with a large capacity,blow their own horn about it and then get caught out because the fans make noise!!!! Guess they were all expecting them to sit still as if the were in the Opera.And like I said before worse than this laughable situation with the noise,get caught with their pants down when things go ** up as if it has never happened to them before......amateur hour or 3 Edited April 25, 2015 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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