Warsaw Gp Saturday 18th April

[stratton]

The track was raceable, or did you not see Bomber chase down and pass Hancock in Heat 9, or Jonasson and Gollob passing and repassing in Heat 11, or Janowksi and Zagar passing and repassing in Heat 12?

 

3 excellent races out of 4... then its abandoned.

You have been a rider then? the track was a disgrace,a nice fancy stadium but surely the product and entertainment level has to come first surely and SAFETY.?

[PolskiZuzel]

 

They might be able to call the result after 12 heats, but the refund policy may be different.

 

 

translated from the latest news published on sportowefakty.pl

 

In reference with the signals from disappointed speedway fans attending SGP at the National Stadium in Warsaw, the portal pozywamy-zbiorowo.pl has been consulting with the Legal Company Dauerman about a possible action lawsuit against the organizers .

Preliminary analysis shows that there is the possibility of a class action lawsuit (of course with certain documents - in particular the ticket).

In time, we will transfer you to the next instruction.

[Trees]

SO does a third division football ground compare with Wembley. And what about spectators... KL or Cardiff? Chalk and cheese.

I'm wrong person to ask KL or Cardiff :-)

I know what u r saying BUT the riders are in the hands of the organisers, if this happens again and there is no guarantee that it won't, then what! The big stadiums aren't worth the hassle perhaps! What I am saying is any decent stadium full of passionate fans is a buzz. They had to basically give half the tickets away at Warsaw to get the crowd they did, the PZM paid a fortune to make that meeting work and were totally let down by BSI!!

 

I think the track was only going to deteriorate more and more and the riders knew that.

Edited April 20, 2015 by Trees

[BWitcher]

You have been a rider then? the track was a disgrace,a nice fancy stadium but surely the product and entertainment level has to come first surely and SAFETY.?

 

The entertainment in Heats 9 to 12 was excellent, with passing and repassing in the races. Not quite sure how that happens on a 'disgrace of a track'..

 

 

 

translated from the latest news published on sportowefakty.pl

 

In reference with the signals from disappointed speedway fans attending SGP at the National Stadium in Warsaw, the portal pozywamy-zbiorowo.pl has been consulting with the Legal Company Dauerman about a possible action lawsuit against the organizers .

Preliminary analysis shows that there is the possibility of a class action lawsuit (of course with certain documents - in particular the ticket).

In time, we will transfer you to the next instruction.

 

 

All going nicely to plan

Edited April 20, 2015 by BWitcher

[iris123]

I really think the answer could be as simple as the final straw had been broken for the riders ............. following issues at practice.... issues with the starting gate..... issues with reffing.............. and all within the first handful of heats of a world championship that many had been preparing for over months

 

all it takes is someone on 3 or less points to consider that they arent coping well with the adverse conditions and that they are unlikely to make the semis.............. hell they may not even score another point while someone like NKI could streak to a GP win with 19 points on the board

 

they may well have had a valid point about the state of the track....... but not at that premature point

Could be it.I guess a riders mentality will be to some extent affected by all the problems.You get the dodgy track for Friday practice,then the gate problems and let's be fair Jim Lawrences inconsistency left a lot to be desired and robbed Janowski of a chance of getting a point or two.Then the problems in the next few heats.All this must leave some riders wondering if they are also going to get robbed.Then the track starts breaking up(although imo I thought the racing pretty decent throughout).Given a chance those that are having a bad meeting as we always hear never blame themselves,they are always looking for something else to blame.One or two senior riders start throwing toys out of their prams and others follow like sheep.I remember a case of a Danish semi final that was called off and Monberg for one said he should have been more voiciferous in trying to get the meeting continued,but just went with the flow......If a few of the top guys start hollering they want the meeting abandoned do the likes of Doyle,Zagar,Janowski or Liglad go with the flow or stand their ground if they want it continued?

 

 

On the other hand like Bwitcher is I think suggesting,maybe a rival promoter has tried to ruin the reputation of those running the GP series,because they want to run it themselves......

[stratton]

The entertainment in Heats 9 to 12 was excellent, with passing and repassing in the races.

 

All going nicely to plan

I watched the meeting after getting home from work, was really looking forward to it and what a stadium awesome.But the actual racing was garbage, if you were a first time watcher of the sport would you bother again.? Edited April 20, 2015 by sidney

[iris123]

I watched the meeting after getting home from work, was really looking forward to it and what a stadium awesome.But the actual racing was garbage, if you were a supporter watching that for the first time would you bother again.?

The actual racing was pretty good.In fact for a GP it was better than average imo

[Mark]

 

 

 

Have actually spoken to Paul Bellamy this morning and at the moment he is not in a position to say anything until getting the green light from the IMG legal bods who not surprisingly are already going through everything with a fine tooth comb.

 

Is Paul Bellamy waiting for the GREEN LIGHT because his starting tapes don't work properly ?

[stratton]

The actual racing was pretty good.In fact for a GP it was better than average imo

You are easily pleased then, had you had a few beers by then.?

[iris123]

Is that really Tai? Phil will talk to all the riders and i'm sure all will say it will be great or was great and 90% of the track is the best they have ever ridden and what a stadium and the press facilities have to be seen to be believed

 

 

Ha ha,sorry I couldn't resist.It's in me nature,but I really do hope this goes ahead and is a decent GP

 

 

Think the answer is obvious.If it works it is a big success.Great stadium full with 50,000 fans and good speedway.On the other hand if it fails it is a big,big disaster.You have lots of people upset and angry.People like to take chances because the rewards can be good.But by now they shoud have learnt from the many failures.This time there can be no excuses

 

 

I think Phil has been too long in the hospitality lounge !!!!! Don't forget to re-hydrate before writing your report

Few of my posts from before the meeting.........think i'll take that back about Phil.Maybe his report would be better if he was half cut

You are easily pleased then, had you had a few beers by then.?

No Sid.I have seen far too many boring GPs in recent times.Far too many disasters as well.That is why when asked a few weeks back if I had plans to go to any GPs this season my answer was negative

[spook]

 

 

 

translated from the latest news published on sportowefakty.pl

 

In reference with the signals from disappointed speedway fans attending SGP at the National Stadium in Warsaw, the portal pozywamy-zbiorowo.pl has been consulting with the Legal Company Dauerman about a possible action lawsuit against the organizers .

Preliminary analysis shows that there is the possibility of a class action lawsuit (of course with certain documents - in particular the ticket).

In time, we will transfer you to the next instruction.

 

 

and presumably this is because it will be the organisers who have to refund rather than BSI

 

edit: can't say I blame them if they had no say over who laid the track and then it ended up being the official cause of the stoppage of the meeting

Edited April 20, 2015 by spook

[BWitcher]

I watched the meeting after getting home from work, was really looking forward to it and what a stadium awesome.But the actual racing was garbage, if you were a first time watcher of the sport would you bother again.?

 

Then you weren't watching the same meeting.

 

As has already been explained Heats 9-12 were excellent.

 

I repeat

 

Heat 9: Bomber chases and passes Hancock.

Heat 11: Jonasson and Gollob in a great battle, Jonasson passes Gollob, Mr G comes back and repasses him, Jonasson gets him back, Mr G tries a trademark last bend cutback, jonasson holds him off. Cracking race, both going full at it.

Heat 12: Janowski and Zagar in a super battle for the minor places, neither of them showing any signs of worrying about a 'dangerous track'.

[Gavan]

You have been a rider then? the track was a disgrace,a nice fancy stadium but surely the product and entertainment level has to come first surely and SAFETY.?

Talking out of your backside.

 

Track wasnt a disgrace. Diificult but not a disgrace. Riders were passing each other the racing wasnt that bad. Did you see Harris.

 

Ive seen far far worse tracks at Cardiff. If the tapes were not broken im in no doubt the meeting would have carried on.

I watched the meeting after getting home from work, was really looking forward to it and what a stadium awesome.But the actual racing was garbage, if you were a first time watcher of the sport would you bother again.?

If you thought the racing was garbage i think you must have watched a different meeting to everyone else.

 

If you was a first time watcher you would think the start gate was farcical and then wonder why the hell the riders didnt want to ride.

[stratton]

Few of my posts from before the meeting.........think i'll take that back about Phil.Maybe his report would be better if he was half cut

No Sid.I have seen far too many boring GPs in recent times.Far too many disasters as well.That is why when asked a few weeks back if I had plans to go to any GPs this season my answer was negative

I agree Iris, Prague and Italy are two of the GPS that i dislike they are generally poor.On Saturday what a crowd what a stadium, it was so exciting for the sport but at the end of the day entertainment and value for money has to be the first priority.

[SCB]

In a meeting with 50,000 odd paying supporters, was it 40 pound upwards for a ticket? and the world looking in.Do you not EXPECT a safe raceable track with a functioning starting gate surely that is not to much to ask is it.?

It was about £10 a ticket but I don't see the relevance.

 

There WAS good racing. We saw passing in most of the 12 heats. And in a few where there wasn't a pass there was he chance of a pass as riders were chasing others.

 

Not sure what relevance that has to my claim the riders have no right to criticize the track as they have never built a track themselves.

 

I watched the meeting after getting home from work, was really looking forward to it and what a stadium awesome.But the actual racing was garbage, if you were a first time watcher of the sport would you bother again.?

You're talking rubbish Sidney. There was a pass in most heats/

 

Heat 1 - MJJ passes Nicki

2 - Woffy pasees Gollob

3 - No pass but Doyle was giving it some to pass Hancock.

4 - Similar to heat 3. Harris giving it some to pass NKI.

5 - Woffy passes KK, then passing THJ. THJ passes Woffy back.

6 - FTG

7 - Janowski sooped around Hancock

8 - FTG but hey, a Brit won it And Hampel in 3rd is not likely to pas anyone on track!

9 - Harris nips under Hancock with a fine move coming out of the bend

10 - FTG

11 - THJ passes THJ. Gollobre passes. Then THJ repasses!

12 - The rear 3 all giving it a good go.

 

So 7 out of 12 heats had at least one pass and I make it 11 passes in total. I make any GP with them sort of ratios pretty good.

 

 

As for the green flag rather than the tapes. Anyone who get their enjoyment out of watching the tapes if a fruitloop! The green light actually worked better. Moto GP and F1 don't use tapes FFS!

[topaz325]

Is there any financial return for the fans who only saw 12 hts.

[stratton]

Talking out of your backside.

 

Track wasnt a disgrace. Diificult but not a disgrace. Riders were passing each other the racing wasnt that bad. Did you see Harris.

 

Ive seen far far worse tracks at Cardiff. If the tapes were not broken im in no doubt the meeting would have carried on.

If you thought the racing was garbage i think you must have watched a different meeting to everyone else.

 

If you was a first time watcher you would think the start gate was farcical and then wonder why the hell the riders didnt want to ride.

Am i the only person on here that thought Saturday was a disgrace? you tell me?.

[SCB]

Am i the only person on here that thought Saturday was a disgrace? you tell me?.

It was. From the riders. Who spat their dummies over having to go off the green light, gave it a go for a few heats and had another dummy spitting session before getting it called off.

[stratton]

It was about £10 a ticket but I don't see the relevance.

 

There WAS good racing. We saw passing in most of the 12 heats. And in a few where there wasn't a pass there was he chance of a pass as riders were chasing others.

 

Not sure what relevance that has to my claim the riders have no right to criticize the track as they have never built a track themselves.

 

 

You're talking rubbish Sidney. There was a pass in most heats/

 

Heat 1 - MJJ passes Nicki

2 - Woffy pasees Gollob

3 - No pass but Doyle was giving it some to pass Hancock.

4 - Similar to heat 3. Harris giving it some to pass NKI.

5 - Woffy passes KK, then passing THJ. THJ passes Woffy back.

6 - FTG

7 - Janowski sooped around Hancock

8 - FTG but hey, a Brit won it And Hampel in 3rd is not likely to pas anyone on track!

9 - Harris nips under Hancock with a fine move coming out of the bend

10 - FTG

11 - THJ passes THJ. Gollobre passes. Then THJ repasses!

12 - The rear 3 all giving it a good go.

 

So 7 out of 12 heats had at least one pass and I make it 11 passes in total. I make any GP with them sort of ratios pretty good.

 

 

As for the green flag rather than the tapes. Anyone who get their enjoyment out of watching the tapes if a fruitloop! The green light actually worked better. Moto GP and F1 don't use tapes FFS!

I heard from the Polish lad i work with the tickets were about 30/ or 40 pounds upwards?

It was. From the riders. Who spat their dummies over having to go off the green light, gave it a go for a few heats and had another dummy spitting session before getting it called off.

A terrible post but fair play it is your opinion you are entitled to it.!

[BWitcher]

I heard from the Polish lad i work with the tickets were about 30/ or 40 pounds upwards?

A terrible post but fair play it is your opinion you are entitled to it.!

 

It's not an opinion, it's what happened.

 

The riders caused an unnecessary delay to the meeting because they (or it should be said a few of them) were whinging over a green light start?

 

The riders got the meeting called off as a few of them were moaning.. i.e. weren't doing very well.

 

What was a disgrace was they were allowed to get away with delaying the meeting in the first place (over the green light) and also the fact that the tapes weren't working and nobody seemed to have any idea of how to solve it was not professional either (organisers fault).

Edited April 20, 2015 by BWitcher