oldace Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Sometimes you just want someone to hold their hands up and say 'Sorry, we made a mistake, we will get it right next time'. Whilst that does not compensate the fans who paid to travel, it would at least acknowledge the fact they recognise things went wrong. No one doubts they got it wrong, but nowhere near wrong enough to even consider abandoning the meeting. As for starting using a light on light off method, well formula 1, moto GP etc seem to manage without it being a mega problem. It really shouldn't have been a big deal, you come under orders and go when tapes go or when light goes out in this case, just get on with it. The damage Saturday has done will come home to roost in due course. For my part I was undecided as to whether to do Cardiff this year and I now think Sat has decided for me. I don't want to take the chance of a rider revolt and the meeting being abandoned so I don't think I will bother. Edited April 20, 2015 by Oldace 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 He'll be awaiting orders from BSI towers on how they can possibly put a positive spin on this debacle, or at least blame someone else... HOW wrong you are ... but believe what you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 the riders have held a meeting this morning ,and have outlined their requirements before racing commences at the next GP . they have explained cleal;ry the standards they are prepared to accept and had a visual display created of what it should look like .. Here's a sneak preview 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fullbore Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 the riders have held a meeting this morning ,and have outlined their requirements before racing commences at the next GP . they have explained cleal;ry the standards they are prepared to accept and had a visual display created of what it should look like .. Here's a sneak preview Look no stands Niamh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) No one doubts they got it wrong, but nowhere near wrong enough to even consider abandoning the meeting. As for starting using a light on light off method, well formula 1, moto GP etc seem to manage without it being a mega problem. It really shouldn't have been a big deal, you come under orders and go when tapes go or when light goes out in this case, just get on with it. The damage Saturday has done will come home to roost in due course. For my part I was undecided as to whether to do Cardiff this year and I now think Sat has decided for me. I don't want to take the chance of a rider revolt and the meeting being abandoned so I don't think I will bother. Spot on. I normally plan one of my trips to England to tie in with Cardiff. It is all now booked, and Cardiff is not on the agenda. It has nothing to do with track preparation, we ALL know the temporary tracks will get the odd rut here and there and that is all this particular track had (in fact I have still only seen 1 mentioned and Batchelor was nowhere near it when he came off the 2nd time, 1st time he rode into back of rider in front). No, I am not going because I am disgusted at the actions of the riders. They were a disgrace and had little intention of completing the meeting the moment it went to a green light. In fact part of me is beginning to wonder if there isn't more to this than meets the eye... Edited April 20, 2015 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 HOW wrong you are ... but believe what you will. I await with interest, the write-up in the Spar this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer J Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 What I haven't seen anybody question is why if the riders were having a meeting with regard to the state of the track and it being unsafe to ride is why did they spend nearly an hour on the starting tapes after heat 12 because even if they got these working the riders were not complaining about the green light but the ruts in the track. Now they might not have been able to do anything about them but at least take a look in that hour, I was at the track and not one official walked over to bend one/two but had 8 people working on the gate which according to the official statement is not why the riders wanted the meeting called off. I am one of those people who think there was more to the riders meeting than we are being told. Overall a complete mess of a meeting and a wasted weekend travelling and cost. I don't expect there will be a proper apology or an explanation, there should be some compensation to the fans but there wont be, lessons learned, I doubt it and we will be here again either this year or next saying all this again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) No one doubts they got it wrong, but nowhere near wrong enough to even consider abandoning the meeting. As for starting using a light on light off method, well formula 1, moto GP etc seem to manage without it being a mega problem. It really shouldn't have been a big deal, you come under orders and go when tapes go or when light goes out in this case, just get on with it. The damage Saturday has done will come home to roost in due course. For my part I was undecided as to whether to do Cardiff this year and I now think Sat has decided for me. I don't want to take the chance of a rider revolt and the meeting being abandoned so I don't think I will bother. THERE will understandably be many like you and that is the long term damage. As for some suggesting this is all about greed, it isn't. Since John Postlethwaute first came on board the intention has been to elevate the status of the World Championship, to run in stadiums that provide first class spectator facilities and are generally cited in big cities that have also lots of other attractions. Ask any rider whether he would rather complete at Cardiff or Coventry? A Swede would he prefer Malilla or Stockholm. And for the Aussies to have a round at the Etihad. Staging these meetings is also a huge financial risk for the organisers. What is undeniable is that ultimately providing the riders with a stage on which they can perform at the highest level is paramount. Of course mistakes, human error, can be made. What is unforgivable is if the same mistakes are being made and whatever the extenuating circumstances, which inevitable exist, that appears to have been the case in Warsaw. Have actually spoken to Paul Bellamy this morning and at the moment he is not in a position to say anything until getting the green light from the IMG legal bods who not surprisingly are already going through everything with a fine tooth comb. Edited April 20, 2015 by PHILIPRISING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 There's a vast difference between you sitting in your armchair and the track LOOKING dangerous, and the track actually BEING dangerous as considered by those who are riding on it Why does speedway have to compete with other major events? Surely the aim should be to provide the best possible speedway racing for existing followers, to a standard which will then bring the next generation of fans to the sport It's the proper speedway racing that should do it, presented well on well-prepared and established racetracks, and not short-track sand racing in indoor amphitheatres And the organisers and the riders don't care if the fans are short changed as long as they get paid for half a meeting, if they did they would return half their pay and the organisers would return the price of the tickets, this may be being done but i haven't read it is. One of the benefits of having a gp in a covered stadium is to give fans peace of mind that the meeting will not get cancelled or not run fully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 About the tickets: There will be no refund if they have staged 16 heats..... So people can get there money back. Check out the rules here: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11054444_375845049268957_3313450270145764640_n.png?oh=8a3bd7642a36c05da6dacb3b62ef8d56&oe=55DCBDE5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Philip, I am pretty sure that the riders would prefer Målilla over Stockholm especially since Målilla is regarded as a very good track. Spectator wise I think the already convinced speedway fans also would prefer Målilla while those who have never been to speedway probably won't even have heard about Målilla. About the tickets: There will be no refund if they have staged 16 heats..... So people can get there money back. Check out the rules here: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11054444_375845049268957_3313450270145764640_n.png?oh=8a3bd7642a36c05da6dacb3b62ef8d56&oe=55DCBDE5 Well we'll see, some claim that the rules have changed and that only 12 heats are required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Does anyone know just what the riders get for riding in GPs? I seem to recall, and I may be wrong here, that it isn't that much and unless they are really successful, participation may actually cost them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim3751 Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 If ruts are going to cause the riders to question track suitability then I can see a big can of worms being opened. As for the starts why are we still using a mechanical method? Money is already being shelled out on air fences new silencers etcso why not add transponders for riders? 4 tamperproof units would be supplied for a race with -say- 8 spares. Any problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Does anyone know just what the riders get for riding in GPs? I seem to recall, and I may be wrong here, that it isn't that much and unless they are really successful, participation may actually cost them. Just imagine if there was another body, promising them more money.. if only they could find a way of getting control.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) Does anyone know just what the riders get for riding in GPs? I seem to recall, and I may be wrong here, that it isn't that much and unless they are really successful, participation may actually cost them. I could be wrong but I seem to remember the winner gets about $12,000 to about $8,000 and that includes all expenses. That equates to about £1,000 a point for Zagar on Saturday though! My worry here is the riders took control, they got the meeting called off. So why should we all go to Cardiff where the same track is likely? Edited April 20, 2015 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 No one doubts they got it wrong, but nowhere near wrong enough to even consider abandoning the meeting. As for starting using a light on light off method, well formula 1, moto GP etc seem to manage without it being a mega problem. It really shouldn't have been a big deal, you come under orders and go when tapes go or when light goes out in this case, just get on with it. The damage Saturday has done will come home to roost in due course. For my part I was undecided as to whether to do Cardiff this year and I now think Sat has decided for me. I don't want to take the chance of a rider revolt and the meeting being abandoned so I don't think I will bother. Me too I didn't enjoy Cardiff last year if im honest was too processional im going to Somerset on the Friday then spending Saturday down in sunny Somerset, an enjoyable weekend and far cheaper than Cardiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) About the tickets: There will be no refund if they have staged 16 heats..... So people can get there money back. Check out the rules here: https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11054444_375845049268957_3313450270145764640_n.png?oh=8a3bd7642a36c05da6dacb3b62ef8d56&oe=55DCBDE5 Have you read the para 3 before the one you point out that seems to contradict the one you mention. It may not just refer to the change of meeting venue. Edited April 20, 2015 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Just imagine if there was another body, promising them more money.. if only they could find a way of getting control.... Ive read your previous posts where you put a large portion of blame at the riders door and agree with you, I can see the riders eventually biting the hand that feeds them much to their own detriment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 the riders have held a meeting this morning ,and have outlined their requirements before racing commences at the next GP . they have explained cleal;ry the standards they are prepared to accept and had a visual display created of what it should look like .. Here's a sneak preview No, not in the least funny!! I could be wrong but I seem to remember the winner gets about $12,000 to about $8,000 and that includes all expenses. That equates to about £1,000 a point for Zagar on Saturday though! My worry here is the riders took control, they got the meeting called off. So why should we all go to Cardiff where the same track is likely? Don't go :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted April 20, 2015 Report Share Posted April 20, 2015 Philip, I am pretty sure that the riders would prefer Målilla over Stockholm especially since Målilla is regarded as a very good track. Spectator wise I think the already convinced speedway fans also would prefer Målilla while those who have never been to speedway probably won't even have heard about Målilla. Well we'll see, some claim that the rules have changed and that only 12 heats are required. THINK you are wrong ... Manilla has a fine track but do you honestly think riders get a bigger buzz about appearing there than the Friends Arena in Stockholm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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