Trees Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Shame about last night. Hero to zero in 3 hours. A massive crowd in an impressive stadium, Greg H suggesting that this was the closest he would get to Wembley in his career (ie the longest of any of them) . Eurosport offering their informed, enthusiastic coverage which disentegrated into waffling by the end. Speedway is trying very hard to make an impact, for which the organisers should be congratulated. Yes, it brings in the cash but it takes plenty just to put these meetings on. However it would seem not enough of the budget is being spent on track preparation. I would love to ask the eventual "winner" why he chose not to practice. If it is an unsurmountable task to prepare a temporary racing surface to the safety (and racing) standard required, then the GP series will wither and die, as sponsors and spectators lose interest. Only good race of the night for me was when Kelvin referred to Gollob beating Nilsson years ago, and I watched it on Youtube while I awaited the farce to finish. Safety is paramount, so if Greg Hancock says it's not acceptable, that should be good enough for any speedway fan to acknowledge. This is not a time for hysterical reactions (and that other nonsense about flags, Poole, etc) but an assured response that this will not happen again. This requires explanation as to how they will acheive this. If we expect the authorities to be explicit in their details, the least we can do is a considered and measured response to the plans. Not a Pavlovian dismissal from the armchair experts. I personally cannot see how the FIM\BSI can say 100% that this won't happen again on a temp track, laying the track is not an exact science! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Well returned from Warsaw this morning. My friends who were on the second bend were not too amused with it all, but overall we had a great weekend. Plus it was a great experience to be with so many crazy speedway fans in one place. Â My photo's can be found here if anyone's interested http://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/677/schandalig-begin-speedway-grand-prix-seizoen-in-warschau.html 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Andy and Scott at Eurosport did the best they could not knowing what was going on. Andy even said he was trying to access twitter but to no avail. So accusation of waffling is very unfair. And bear in mind that Scott only started full time last year yet was never stuck for something to say - which is what a broadcaster has to do. Dead air is not an option. Â And just to show how much attention is paid to the commentary Kelvin and Nigel even got the blame for referring to the "highlights" when all they did was the race commentary. The highlights - for that was what the races were compared to shots of the spectotors - had to be shown again and again. That's because they're in a studio in the UK with no link trackside. Andy and Scott may be enthuiastic and doing the best job they can but the Eorosport production is amateurish. If they can't have a man trackside it's better they just do highlights later in the evening than pretend they are there. I'd prefer it for one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 The Football pitch At Cardiff is in boxes so it can be removed when the stadium is used for other purposes . maybe a speedway track made in a similar way.. would be the solution to temporary tracks . if you can transport 175 lorry loads of shale to build a track and still be cost effective . then you should be able to do the same with what I am going to name "track in a box " it would be a settled base which would prevent it breaking up . easy to assemble and could be transported between venues .put the boxes down in order add some top surface water it , Game on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 The Football pitch At Cardiff is in boxes so it can be removed when the stadium is used for other purposes . maybe a speedway track made in a similar way.. would be the solution to temporary tracks . if you can transport 175 lorry loads of shale to build a track and still be cost effective . then you should be able to do the same with what I am going to name "track in a box " it would be a settled base which would prevent it breaking up . easy to assemble and could be transported between venues .put the boxes down in order add some top surface water it , Game on Put a copyright on it quick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 The Football pitch At Cardiff is in boxes so it can be removed when the stadium is used for other purposes . maybe a speedway track made in a similar way.. would be the solution to temporary tracks . if you can transport 175 lorry loads of shale to build a track and still be cost effective . then you should be able to do the same with what I am going to name "track in a box " it would be a settled base which would prevent it breaking up . easy to assemble and could be transported between venues .put the boxes down in order add some top surface water it , Game on Bit like a trainset on a 6x4 sheet of hardboard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) Yes you can .MX, American football , Football , Cycling , and the absolute proof WWF.. all bullrubbish sports . relying entirely on Atmosphere and Hype Oh congratulations, I write a lengthy piece from the heart trying to help the sport I love and you find one minor point to pick on. Congratulations, you win the cardboard medal! Â Typical speedway forum. You claim to be interested in debates and free speech but all you want to do is score cheap points, which is why most people don't bother now and just leave your type to childishly bicker away. Â There's plenty would disagree with you about most of those sports. Perhaps you don't understand them? People take WWF as an entertainment - like an American pantomime. Â So, any other points you want to discuss? Do you want them explaining? Do you want to know how to trim a post you're responding to rather than rely on large coloured fonts? Â You claim to be a fan of speedway but in reality your posts show you just want an argument. Anyway, sadly there's plenty who will play with you. I'm not one. Â Pathetic as ever. Edited April 19, 2015 by rmc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 The Football pitch At Cardiff is in boxes so it can be removed when the stadium is used for other purposes . maybe a speedway track made in a similar way.. would be the solution to temporary tracks . if you can transport 175 lorry loads of shale to build a track and still be cost effective . then you should be able to do the same with what I am going to name "track in a box " it would be a settled base which would prevent it breaking up . easy to assemble and could be transported between venues .put the boxes down in order add some top surface water it , Game on how about using existing speedway stadiums on proper tracks it ain't difficult fans want racing excitement not plush stadiums that see poor racing or in this case 12heats - it will happen again a GP being called off when on a temporary track the one that already worries me knowing what the weather can be like in Denmark is Horsens temp track and this time no roof on the stadium so if it's a wet week while laying the track this meeting will be in trouble I say now move this meeting to Vojens and avoid all the bad press . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van wolfswinkel Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Very disappointing for the 53000 crowd, and what will probably be the biggest audience this year at a speedway meeting. I bet Sky Sports are glad they dropped the GPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 The Football pitch At Cardiff is in boxes so it can be removed when the stadium is used for other purposes . maybe a speedway track made in a similar way.. would be the solution to temporary tracks . if you can transport 175 lorry loads of shale to build a track and still be cost effective . then you should be able to do the same with what I am going to name "track in a box " it would be a settled base which would prevent it breaking up . easy to assemble and could be transported between venues .put the boxes down in order add some top surface water it , Game on Slightly different, 23 blokes running about kicking a ball on grass to speedway bikes racing .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Very disappointing for the 53000 crowd, and what will probably be the biggest audience this year at a speedway meeting. I bet Sky Sports are glad they dropped the GPs. If I were a senior producer at Eurosport I'd be looking very carefully at the contract after last night. Note how few league matches there are on Sky this year? A lot of damage has been done but it might take a while to see the effect due to contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 How do you know the track was not too (spelling) dangerous? I repeat " . . . whether sat in the armchair in front of tv or up in the stands at the stadium, what it looks like to you - to me, to everyone else - is totally immaterial in deciding whether it is safe to continue" Â How do we know? Â Because we just watched the overwhelming majority racing around it without any problems. Â It's not rocket science. Â As was said earlier in the thread, had the starting gate not failed the meeting would have proceeded without any mention of the track from the riders. As it was, the old guard didn't like it and they absolutely made sure it wouldn't go on any further... fortunately for them an unfit Batchelor crashing helped them out... incidentally when he was nowhere near the supposed problem rut on the inside of turn 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Sorry but the track was raceable and rideable, did you not watch it properly and see Harris? Â The only riders who fell was an unfit Batchelor and a struggling Holder. Â The track was difficult but not unsafe. Â Seem to remember a track at Belle Vue not so long ago that was waterlogged yet the meeting continued when it was far far more dangerous than last night. Poole werent worried about that track i seem to recall. Â The riders (not all of them) bottled it. Â The starting gate looked farcical. The track wasnt great. Â But the biggest farce was the huge delay while the riders had a meeting and got the meeting called off didnt see any riders congratulating each other they were hugging and congratulating Gollob. so unlike you get something wrong I dont think a Poole fan can give any credibility on track safety as they need to get their own house in order first. Quite happy to race in a monsoon at Belle Vue where riders couldnt see, yet think last night was dangerous! It depends on what is at stake. :sad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 i have no idea what you are wittering on about you fool. I've said the track was not to dangerous that the meeting had to be abandoned which is a view held by many on here. You really are a prat   Maybe their armchairs coped with the ruts better than the bikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Maybe their armchairs coped with the ruts better than the bikes. Fans who were watching saw riders get round with no problems at all ....As Gavin said a view held by many . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Slightly different, 23 blokes running about kicking a ball on grass to speedway bikes racing .... it is yes . but the temporary tracks break up and get ruts because they don't have time to settle and bond together .only being ;laid a few days before . track in a box would have time to settle and would become like a permanent track . just means it could be transported and assembled in the allowed time . but the settling and bonding would already be done . in fact it could even be laid on top of a football pitch . that would open the door to many more venues .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Someone has tweeted that the PZM may be taking legal action. Anyone know any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 it is yes . but the temporary tracks break up and get ruts because they don't have time to settle and bond together .only being ;laid a few days before . track in a box would have time to settle and would become like a permanent track . just means it could be transported and assembled in the allowed time . but the settling and bonding would already be done . in fact it could even be laid on top of a football pitch . that would open the door to many more venues .. They'd still have to be stored in a high tec environment though to protect them from the weather.......oops Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Fans who were watching saw riders get round with no problems at all ....As Gavin said a view held by many . Â Â A view (opinion ) held by many judging it from their TV screens. Many others are reserving judgment. Â Gavan says as a fact the track was not too dangerous. None of us were at the meeting between the riders and officials and as yet none of us don't know exactly what was said.(although Gavan apparently thinks he does.). There could have been more than one cause of complaint, or it could be the culmination of complaints going back over time, . At this stage we simply do not know. My inclination at this stage is to go along with Ashley Holloway who has tweeted that Phil Morris is not to blame but others are. Who these others are we simply don't know yet. No doubt more information will leak out with the passage of time especially if the PZM take legal action as a previous poster, has suggested but Gavan's outburst is probably best explained by the fact he was replying to his mate Starman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Back home a few thoughts-there should be 4 statements this week from 1 FIM 2 BSI 3 PZM 4 the riders  I have seen many worse tracks than Yesterday in my nearly 50 years of watching speedway-several at past GP`s. The starting gate problems were a pathetic shambles, and I fully agree with the posters who have said that if the tapes had been working the meeting would have reached it`s full 23 races. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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