Blazeaway Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Personally I think if the tapes hadn't failed the meeting would have been run to its conclusion. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Is the race director an employee of BSI or is he an FIM official? If it's the first why? Is speedway a sport or a money making entertainment? Answers on a postcard addressed to anyone in authority that actually gives a $@#k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R87 Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Bottom line is that NOBODY involved in last nights disaster comes away with their credit intact. I'm afraid to say that once Phil Morris showed weakness in failing to put his foot down the moment the problem with the tapes started, then the riders realised they could walk all over him. Ole Olsen has in faults (not least his role in track building), but I don't ever recall seeing the riders push him around the way that Morris was. Â How on earth does Jim Lawrence continue to get top FIM events? I have been at countless meetings when he's been in the box when he's dropped at least once clanger. I seem to recall Ivan Mauger saying that British referee's were traditionally weak, and last night highlighted that for me. Â I can understand the riders concerns over safety - lets face it it's not us putting our lives on the line - but even they come out of it with little credit. Â As I said last night, Tomasz Gollob deserved a much better exit from the world championship stage than the one that he was afforded to last night. Â There simply has to be a full scale investigation into this. The FIM and BSI have got away with sweeping things under the carpet and hoping nobody will notice for too long now, but last night cold very well be the final straw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Personally I think if the tapes hadn't failed the meeting would have been run to its conclusion. Â There you have it. Â Some of the old guard didn't like the green light starts, indeed they were almost fairer as the riders simply HAD to sit perfectly still. Â All this nonsense about the track, Batchelor and Holder... one who isn't fit and likely shouldn't even be racing in the meeting and the other is way out of confidence and struggling on all tracks. Â I'm not one to hark back to the 'good old days' but would we have seen riders such as PC, Carter, Briggs etc struggle to ride on such a track? I highly doubt it. Â Yes I know the bikes are partly to do with it, but Bomber showed the track could be ridden and indeed raced on perfectly well. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 What a cock-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Undercover Elephant Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Wow what a thing to criticise about y flags a minor detail in view of what happened get a lifeSee what happens is certain countries dont want foreign flags like England or GB in the stadium. So when security see fit, they tell you no flags unless Polish. It depends on their moods and attitudes! In the UK at Cardiff for example, we welcome with open arms to all fans from all over the world to cheer and support their favourite riders/s in harmony.  Is this to be believed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Arriving at stadium entrance with English flag told cannot take it in.No foreign flags allowed only Polish flags allowed to be displayed!Were refusing to allow me into stadium.After arguments managed to shove flag in bag and push through.Obviously cannot show support for foreign riders.Try stopping Poles taking their flags into Cardiff . Â Vote UKIP... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I do suspect that tonight will be a very significant turning-point for the sport at international level. To me, the sport's been trying to over-reach itself for many years, based on the ability to pull off meetings at Cardiff, although that's been a very close-run thing on a few occasions. Â Trying to take the sport to a new stature and level of public awareness are of course noble ambitions but I do wonder if the sport simply has the resources to pull off these grandiose schemes often enough? Â Is this a brown ale sport pretending it drinks champagne? (No Darcy Ward jokes please - there's a separate thread for that). Â Just how far can speedway reach? Is it wiser to play it safe, run meetings on tracks that can allow a decent product to be offered to the world or do we keep aiming too high and falling on our noses? Yes, it does work sometimes but you cannot build a sport on just atmosphere and hype. You can fool some of the people etc. etc. Â What we saw tonight was simply deplorable. It was like seeing a former love in the gutter, begging for fags or another drink. Jim Lawrence was not in control. The failure to exclude Troy Batchelor was questionable but the inability to either see the problem with the starting gate or why riders were pulling-up, or simply to choose to plough on regardless was simply unacceptable. Â The Grand Prix tries to provide us with the best riders, the best stadia and best racing. Is Jim Lawrence one of the best referees? If so, we need an urgent training programme! His on-screen body language during the early problems was worrying. It did not look like someone in control, and I've been in the company of enough referees over the years to have a clue about this. Â Regarding the role of the Race Director, Phil Morris faced three crises in his first meeting - practice, starting gate and then the track break-up. The fact that the meeting failed after 12 heats shows that it was not a happy start. But his predecessor in the role Tony Olsson was clearly there, as seen on TV and I presume that his predecessor Ole Olsen was also present, given that he was in charge of the track installation. Surely either or both were on hand to advise? Â Just how many times will we suffer these fiascos and just how many more times will we hear that lessons have been learnt and that the problem can't happen again? Â It has. It has many times. It's been happening for years, even back at Wembley, such as 1975. Speedway cocks up, eventually. Gelsenkirchen, Riga, Ullevi. The list goes on. Â I am certain that BSI's rivals One Sport will be delighted to see them fail so spectacularly in the most prominent stadium in Poland. Is this a turning-point in speedway politics that sees Poland trying to take control of the sport it already financially owns? (Ask any rider fined by a Polish club for getting injured riding for a team outside the country, or at least threatened regarding that latter point) Â It's time for the sport at ALL levels to live within its means, to stop thinking that a few flashy risks will bring riches. They won't. Solid development will, putting good value for money meetings on at sustainable venues. Let people grow to love an all-action sport rather than use smoke and mirrors to convince people that crap is gold-plated. Â It's time to focus on the product, the racing, not the wrapping. Then, once the product is strong enough, organisationally and financially then take it to those higher levels. We can see some great racing at GPs. Not enough though. Â Any fool can reach for the stars and fall. To get there you have to do more than reach, you have to build on solid foundations. Â In Britain, in a week of generally fine spring weather we have staged how many meetings at out highest level? Two. Just two. This is to accommodate tonight's hubris in Poland. Â That's a high price to pay and once again the British public have been mugged as much as those fools who think that flying to Poland's going to automatically give them great speedway. Â Still, the atmosphere was great I suppose and the beer was cheap., Who needs more? Â So far this year for various reasons, notably health I've no been able to get to any live speedway. Fortunately that's changing and I can hopefully start getting to some league matches, ideally in the PL or NL. I'll leave the rest of you to be dazzled by the shiny shiny....... Â Speedway cannot afford to self-destruct like this yet again. Sadly it will. It mustn't. Â (P.S. - "So, this time in English please Tomasz.....") Yes you can .MX, American football , Football , Cycling , and the absolute proof WWF.. all bullrubbish sports . relying entirely on Atmosphere and Hype 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gearhead Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 See what happens is certain countries dont want foreign flags like England or GB in the stadium. So when security see fit, they tell you no flags unless Polish. It depends on their moods and attitudes! Â In the UK at Cardiff for example, we welcome with open arms to all fans from all over the world to cheer and support their favourite riders/s in harmony. Â Is this to be believed? Â We're declared "racists" when we fly our flag or favour our own,so as I say vote UKIP.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Yes you can .MX, American football , Football , Cycling , and the absolute proof WWF.. all bullrubbish sports . relying entirely on Atmosphere and Hype bullrubbish sports? Football, cycling? seriously? You try cycling 100 odd miles a day for close to three weeks as they do in the Tour and tell me it's not a sport. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I take you were it attendance last night or are you one of many with opinions about everything sat in your armchair   You really are coming across as some sad individual. Lighten up and look at the whole evening.  The racing was only part of the package of the SGP, Flag waving is the part that generates , the atmosphere that makes these occasions special.....  Thank god I don't have to work near you.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I'm fed up with all this rider safety nonsense. Yes i appreciate the entertainment they provide and hope none get injured. But it's becoming more and more that if a track isn't like a snooker table the toys come out of the pram. It's their Job to perform! Last night it wasn't a snooker table, and some kicked off about it. Â If Morris is no longer the director after this week I'd love to know what the riders said. Oh give it a rest................safety is paramount in any sport no matter how dangerous it is.................if you read the article it was Nicki P and Greg Hancock who were the ones who consulted with the other riders before doing anything............... Â The way some people are talking on this thread and elsewhere are talking it should have continued and stuff the safety aspect..............that track was an accident waiting to happen..................as soon as it was realised at practice the meeting should have been moved to one of the many amazing purpose built stadiums................ Â Rider safety is more important than making millions.............. Â RP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) Â Â The way some people are talking on this thread and elsewhere are talking it should have continued and stuff the safety aspect..............that track was an accident waiting to happen.................. What people were saying that the track was ok to carry on . Nothing to do with stuff the safely aspect . Edited April 19, 2015 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 bullrubbish sports? Football, cycling? seriously? You try cycling 100 odd miles a day for close to three weeks as they do in the Tour and tell me it's not a sport. Â Forget the 'bullrubish' bit, his main point is valid in this case. Oh give it a rest................safety is paramount in any sport no matter how dangerous it is.................if you read the article it was Nicki P and Greg Hancock who were the ones who consulted with the other riders before doing anything............... Â The way some people are talking on this thread and elsewhere are talking it should have continued and stuff the safety aspect..............that track was an accident waiting to happen..................as soon as it was realised at practice the meeting should have been moved to one of the many amazing purpose built stadiums................ Â Rider safety is more important than making millions.............. Â RP Â We won't be seeing any more meetings at Poole for some time then I take it. Rider safety after all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eglese 19 Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I saw on Twitter that Havelock and Lindgren didn't think the track was that bad. Obviously I've no idea how it actually was but from comments and my own opinion based on watching GPs we've seen much worse. Very disappointing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 What people were saying that the track was ok to carry on . Nothing to with stuff the safely aspect . Well that is how it is coming across from a lot of posts I have seen................. Â Â Â Forget the 'bullrubish' bit, his main point is valid in this case. Â We won't be seeing any more meetings at Poole for some time then I take it. Rider safety after all. You don't half talk some b******s at times..................... Â RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 I've seen worse tracks but they deserve perfection every time. The GP riders are closely matched and can all go for the same bit of track on bend 1 so they need confidence in the track to give us great racing. Â I dont blame the riders for saying enough is enough after so many poor tracks. This is the World Championship not National league. Â The worst hit are the fans who paid good money for a great GP but got served rubbish. Convinient that 12 heats were run eh ! Â The public should get the full story on why was the meeting abandoned, who is as fault and what sanction those who didn't do there job correctly will get. A golden opportunity for the sport is wasted by poor preparation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Well that is how it is coming across from a lot of posts I have seen................. Â Â You don't half talk some b******s at times..................... Â RP Â So the Poole track has no bumps, is as smooth as a billiard table and the riders all praise it? Â Or does your number 1 says its "S**t". Â Rider Safety must come first! Until those bumps are removed, Poole should stage no further meetings. Â Or are you a hypocrite? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 What people were saying that the track was ok to carry on . Nothing to with stuff the safely aspect . And for those of us whose first language is English? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 (edited) There are going to be a lot of recriminations about the unmitigated disaster of last night. Perhaps people will be held to account. More likely they won't. Â But the biggest challenge right now is to try to work out what happens next. To get through the rest of the year. Â This year the SGP is due to have more 'Ole tracks' than ever. We are told that it is not an 'exact science'. But the mad professor is just not sufficiently proficient to get it right often enough. Â What the hell can they do? Edited April 19, 2015 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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