Dietbowers Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 I was replying to the question about how do we know where he will live once the Speedway is over . I like him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Yes he is. How do you know what he will do once his career is over? A cheap pop. Why now has he not reverted back to his beloved Oz race jacket seeing he doesn't need the UK no more? Why didn't he go back to Oz in the close season and do his fund raising/profile raising seeing as he is such a proud Aussie?? Think his actions give a clear picture. I believe Brits should ride in their own leagues before Sweden/Poland so I am naturally disappointed in his decision. However lets lay the blame exactly where it belongs, at the door of our governing body. Season after season they are letting top riders leave our league because they want seem determined to stay alienated from the rest of Europe. There stubbornness has seen riders, and fans walk away. Tai is doing what Greg, Nicki, Gollob and many, many more have done because of the failure of the BSPA to give the riders and in particular the FANS what they want. I am talking about EL fans so this doesn't apply to teams/promotions/fans of the PL. I am disappointed in his decision by not at all surprised. Why? Well it was only 2012 he was slating Sweden because he hadn't been paid and was going to give them a miss. Now it seems they are back in favour. At the EL expense. Apparently he is buying/has a house in Sweden so no hopping required! Really? Yet he managed to be crowned World Champion whilst riding IN Britain. Some people quickly forget it seems. Just some picking at his Aussie links for the sake of it. With no substance. I am sure riding around Lakeside really helped him when he ended up going for a GP at Bydgoszcz.!Yes Britain helped him in his groundwork and development, but now does he really need Britain NO . It is just extra money now and again if he can fit Britain in and i for one don't blame him Britain is not in the same league as Sweden and Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 I am sure riding around Lakeside really helped him when he ended up going for a GP at Bydgoszcz.!Yes Britain helped him in his groundwork and development, but now does he really need Britain NO . It is just extra money now and again if he can fit Britain in and i for one don't blame him Britain is not in the same league as Sweden and Poland. No its not. thanks to the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) No its not. thanks to the BSPA. The Premier league is good though why not swap dont bother with the EL.!! Edited December 1, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 sidney, on 01 Dec 2014 - 10:12 PM, said:The Premier league is good though why not swap dont bother with the EL.!! want to see MORE top riders, not less! Why on earth would I want to watch PL lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theflyingkiwi Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) As a aussie he would not have got a wildcard pick and become World Champion . Ward got a Wild Card pick for the 2013 GP season after deciding not to go through the GP qualifiers, so how can you be sure Tai would have not received a wild card pick as an Aussie rider? Edited December 1, 2014 by perkdon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 want to see MORE top riders, not less! Why on earth would I want to watch PL lol There isn't much in it now the gap is forever getting closer amalgamation could happen eventually. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 I am sure riding around Lakeside really helped him when he ended up going for a GP at Bydgoszcz.!Yes Britain helped him in his groundwork and development, but now does he really need Britain NO . It is just extra money now and again if he can fit Britain in and i for one don't blame him Britain is not in the same league as Sweden and Poland. Not all GP tracks are large, flat-out tracks like Bygdzoscz, riding Lakeside, Eastbourne, Belle Vue sure help to hone your skills at turning hard, and frequently like at GPS on the indoor arenas, like Cardiff and the other man made temporary tracks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Because he says so himself ...he has always made it quite clear that oz is his home and will live there full time when speedway is finished . Well all the Somalians, Poles, Hungarians etc want to live in the UK according to Sidney and UKIP, does that make them British? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 When i hear Lewis Hamilton talk these days, he sounds very american. Tai has spent a lot of his life with Aussies so i can understand the accent. And in his defence hes never ridden in the Aus champs. Hes just over stretched himself. Less time with the media and dropping a few swedish meetings would have been just as effective. Aren't Swedish pay rates higher than in the EL? Fair dunkum, cobber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 There isn't much in it now the gap is forever getting closer amalgamation could happen eventually. That's the issue. Fans of EL want MORE not less top boys. The gap is closer and the sport is shedding more and more fans. Amalgamation would kill off any credibility we have in Europe and it failed last time it was tried. Its an even bigger no no this time around. EL fans don't want a dumbed down product and don't want PL standard league racing. Likewise PL fans aren't keen on the EL. The irony of course is those that think amalgamation is the way forward fail to see there aren't enough riders to go around as it is. It would be a disaster IMHO. And would turn more and more away from Speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Ward got a Wild Card pick for the 2013 GP season after deciding not to go through the GP qualifiers, so how can you be sure Tai would have not received a wild card pick as an Aussie rider? Because he was total crap the time before ...Bar being a brit there was nothing that would have giving a wild card spot ..Ward got a wild card pick because he was one was one of the best and most exciting riders at the time unlike Tai who when given a wild card was laugh at . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Because he was total crap the time before ...Bar being a brit there was nothing that would have giving a wild card spot ..Ward got a wild card pick because he was one was one of the best and most exciting riders at the time unlike Tai who when given a wild card was laugh at . He would have earned a pick for 2013, whether he rode as a Brit or an Aussie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 He would have earned a pick for 2013, whether he rode as a Brit or an Aussie this is debatable, i dont think he wouldve... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 He would have earned a pick for 2013, whether he rode as a Brit or an Aussie. Why ? go back to the topic about it at the time and your find it hard to find one person who thought that by bar being a brit that Tai deserved or was good enough for a Wildcard at that time . If has not a brit there was zero chance of being in the gp that year or the time before that . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Why ? go back to the topic about it at the time and your find it hard to find one person who thought that by bar being a brit that Tai deserved or was good enough for a Wildcard at that time . If has not a brit there was zero chance of being in the gp that year or the time before that . It was obvious to anyone who spoke to him in prior to starting the 2013 season that he had the World at his feet. As a wild card selection has zilch to do with popular opinion there is every chance he would have got a pick despite nobody giving him a hope in hell. this is debatable, i dont think he wouldve... Of course its debatable. Would THJ get a pick in 2014 if he wasn't a Swede? Some say yes, some say no. I`m not saying that being a Brit (which he is so it really isn't even a sensible debate!) hasn't helped his GP course. However he made a mockery of those who doubted him and in my opinion deserved a pick for 2014 regardless of his Nationality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 He would have earned a pick for 2013, whether he rode as a Brit or an Aussie. I doubt it. Most thought he was a joke pick TBH. It's not like he did anything in 2012 to merit a pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 I doubt it. Most thought he was a joke pick TBH. It's not like he did anything in 2012 to merit a pick. And we all know who had the biggest laugh. As one of the most exciting younger riders it was always a matter of time before he got another pick IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers in Gravy Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 It's kind of hard to believe the Woffinden Aussie/Brit thing is still an issue with some people. What exactly does he have to do to prove he's British? He was born in Scunthorpe, to British parents. It wasn't his choice to move to Australia - like so many Poms, his family moved out there for a better lifestyle. Tai could have stuck with the (arguably more successful) Aussie system, but worked his way up through the system here, committed himself to Great Britain and has served his clubs well (maybe with the exception of last season's unhappy time at Monmore). If you think he somehow owes British speedway something, what about the hundreds of matches he has ridden here? What about holding a fairly weak national side together? What about bringing a world championship back to Britain and being so obviously proud to win it for Britain. Does none of that count for anything? Woffinden would pass Norman Tebbit's cricket test with flying colours, but, of course, if you think his accent, the fact he fancies a bit of sunshine when he retires or his tattoos are more important than his undoubted achievements in a GB racejacket, then I'm sure you know better. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Of course its debatable. Would THJ get a pick in 2014 if he wasn't a Swede? Some say yes, some say no. I`m not saying that being a Brit (which he is so it really isn't even a sensible debate!) hasn't helped his GP course. However he made a mockery of those who doubted him and in my opinion deserved a pick for 2014 regardless of his Nationality. Your right people might debate about THJ ... with Woofy it was pretty clear thou some said he might do ok it was agree by nearly everyone that the only reason that he was in the GP was because he was a brit just like Harris Nicholls before him . The fact that he made a mockery of that means nowt on how people felt at the time . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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