ABS Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 FIRST PICKS (*protected) BELLE VUE = Steve Worrall* COVENTRY = Jason Garrity* KINGS LYNN = Lewis Kerr* LAKESIDE = Charles Wright LEICESTER = Josh Auty POOLE = Kyle Newman* SWINDON = Adam Roynon WOLVES = Lewis Blackbird SECOND PICK SWINDON = Lewis Rose LAKESIDE = Adam Ellis BELLE VUE = James Sarjeant WOLVES = Paul Starke COVENTRY = Joe Jacobs KINGS LYNN = Simon Lambert POOLE = Nathan Greaves LEICESTER = Max Clegg This is funny - Charles Wright rides for Somerset, a Friday track and I doubt he'd want to treck to Lakeside form M/cr on a Friday anyway. Stefan Nielsen would surely be a better round 2 option than Greaves for Poole, but as it's all speculation anyway, I think I'll just wait and see. Hopefully Mark Lemon will have some input into the BV choices, as Morton did a pretty poor job last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Its Leicester doing the picking, not the other way round. If he dont want to go,end of story. Regardless of the grading system,the rider still has the final say. Leicester arnt daft,they will know the situation.So probably some wheeling and dealing going on between clubs before wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 If he dont want to go,end of story. Regardless of the grading system,the rider still has the final say. Leicester arnt daft,they will know the situation.So probably some wheeling and dealing going on between clubs before wednesday. Not at all ...when they sign up the rules are you have to accept where you go ..otherwise you are kicked out . If the lions pick Blackbird then he go's there or he's out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Agreed. I guess you'd have to beg other clubs to do a swap if that happened, you never know, they might agree. Thinking some more about it, Auty to Lakeside won't happen anyway as he'll be at Scunny, a Friday track. As for Roynon, he'd get your track soon enough, he's stupidly talented IMO. The issue with him is injury. Everything I hear of this Draft System make the whole scenario into a mockery . Surely Clubs swapping riders would not be allowed. I have never agreed with forcing riders to race as and where they're picked. What will happen when the rider says stuff you??? does the draw start all over again. The riders selected for the draft do so with their own ideas, there not just a name with an average, they do have a say in where they will ride, and its about time the fans and supporters appreciated it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Everything I hear of this Draft System make the whole scenario into a mockery . Surely Clubs swapping riders would not be allowed. I have never agreed with forcing riders to race as and where they're picked. What will happen when the rider says stuff you??? does the draw start all over again. The riders selected for the draft do so with their own ideas, there not just a name with an average, they do have a say in where they will ride, and its about time the fans and supporters appreciated it.. it's simple the riders know once they sign up for the draft they could end up at any club if they don't like that then no one is forcing them to ride in it . If the riders don't the like the rules then don't sign up for it .Maybe if Newman and Ellis only want to ride for Poole maybe we should let that happen . What would be the point of a draft if we just let riders ride where they want ? Edited November 24, 2014 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 I like the draft, but my god we are making it complicated. If a rider signs up for it, then he has to go where he's picked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Not at all ...when they sign up the rules are you have to accept where you go ..otherwise you are kicked out . If the lions pick Blackbird then he go's there or he's out So you dont mind having an unhappy rider you doesnt want to be there. I certainly wouldnt want that at Wolves,whats it do for moral within the team. Thats why i said,it will all be sorted before wednesday by talks between the clubs. It probably already has tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) So you dont mind having an unhappy rider you doesnt want to be there. I certainly wouldnt want that at Wolves,whats it do for moral within the team. As has been said the rules of the draft are quite clear that you could go to any of the eight clubs . If Blackbird etc don't like that then don't sign up for it .And if Wolves etc think that a rider will be bad for the team moral then yet again no one is forcing them to sign that rider . Edited November 24, 2014 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 If he dont want to go,end of story. Regardless of the grading system,the rider still has the final say. Leicester arnt daft,they will know the situation.So probably some wheeling and dealing going on between clubs before wednesday. Not at all ...when they sign up the rules are you have to accept where you go ..otherwise you are kicked out . If the lions pick Blackbird then he go's there or he's out Exactly as Orion said. The clubs have the choice in this instance, not the rider. Blackbird refusing to go to Leicester would make a mockery of the Draft system and would only mean him being removed from the Draft thus penalising his own progress. Rider power usually sees them getting their own way 90% of the time, not in this instance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 So Leicester could pick Blackbird knowing he may refuse to ride there effectively withdrawing from the draft. Would stop a rival getting one of the top riders! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Exactly as Orion said. The clubs have the choice in this instance, not the rider. Blackbird refusing to go to Leicester would make a mockery of the Draft system and would only mean him being removed from the Draft thus penalising his own progress. Rider power usually sees them getting their own way 90% of the time, not in this instance. Plain common sence,there has to be give and take on both sides. Ok,let them not be in the draft. Back to square one.Not enough good Grade A riders to satisfy demand if thats youre answer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 riders can't be forced - there are emplyment laws - plus who would want a rider who doesn't want to be there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 riders can't be forced - there are emplyment laws - plus who would want a rider who doesn't want to be there They are not being forced. They sign a contract when joining the draft and accept they will ride for whoever picks them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) riders can't be forced - there are emplyment laws - plus who would want a rider who doesn't want to be there No one has been forced ....they signed up to the rules of the draft . if you don't want to be in the draft then don't go in it . Just like if you got offered a job that might meaning your working away from home you have a choice to take it or not . Plain common sence,there has to be give and take on both sides. Ok,let them not be in the draft. Back to square one.Not enough good Grade A riders to satisfy demand if thats youre answer. But there is ...and all . of those have sign up knowing the rules . Edited November 24, 2014 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 riders can't be forced - there are emplyment laws - plus who would want a rider who doesn't want to be there Then it's not a draft! They aren't forced - they sign up to the rules - if they don't like them then don't sign and don't ride - SIMPLES! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Then it's not a draft! They aren't forced - they sign up to the rules - if they don't like them then don't sign and don't ride - SIMPLES! What are the rules??? what rules have the riders been asked to join???? Question. 1 Would Newman sign up for the draft if he thought he was riding somewhere else, But he knew he would be riding for Poole.? Did he sign up to the draft rules.........or did he sign up to join Poole??? Question 2 ; Would Kerr approach the draft system differently if (a) he know he was riding for Lynn or ( not knowing where he would be riding . Each rider has a different agenda,,,, So you saying they are the draft rules, but every rider has a different take on exactly what the rules are............. You've only got to have 4 riders from pot (a) to say sod you and the whole system is doomed. And them draft rules will mean nothing.......... Edited November 24, 2014 by GRW123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 What are the rules??? what rules have the riders been asked to join???? Question. 1 Would Newman sign up for the draft if he thought he was riding somewhere else, But he knew he would be riding for Poole.? Did he sign up to the draft rules.........or did he sign up to join Poole??? Question 2 ; Would Kerr approach the draft system differently if (a) he know he was riding for Lynn or ( not knowing where he would be riding . Each rider has a different agenda,,,, So you saying they are the draft rules, but every rider has a different take on exactly what the rules are............. You've only got to have 4 riders from pot (a) to say sod you and the whole system is doomed. And them draft rules will mean nothing.......... I don't think you quite get it! It is a draft - there are rules - riders sign up to those rules and then they get picked! If they don't go to the team who picked them they are out of the draft! If too many riders drop out then there is no draft! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) You've only got to have 4 riders from pot (a) to say sod you and the whole system is doomed. And them draft rules will mean nothing.......... Why would it be doomed ? just bring 4 riders from pot b and it will be the same as last year ..a draft that you loved by the way ..not sure what has change your mind in a season ..who could forget last year when you could not care less as your team had two good draft riders . Edited November 24, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) riders can't be forced - there are emplyment laws - plus who would want a rider who doesn't want to be there Employment laws are not applicable to self employed Speedway riders. Edited November 24, 2014 by WembleyLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Plain common sence,there has to be give and take on both sides. Ok,let them not be in the draft. Back to square one.Not enough good Grade A riders to satisfy demand if thats youre answer. There should not be give an take on both sides!! Imagine how some riders/clubs will use that to get exactly what they want! Its pretty simple. Riders sign up to the draft, they know that as a draft they wont know who picks them. If a rider has a problem with one club picking him then he doesn't go on the draft. Simple. Only that rider is penalising himself for missing EL experience. Nobody else. I assume that the club also is equally vexed with the rider so wouldn't pick them anyway. Some really are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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