INCOGNITO Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Riders can express an opinion and it is likely that the eight teams will have had some conversation with the Grade A riders and promoters should have an idea of who they want and the riders that would be happy to come. Kyle Newman and Lewis Kerr may well have gone in the system knowing thee are protected and don't want to ride elsewhere but Jason Garrity may be different and there has been rumours he doesn't want to be protected ? Could he get the move to Wolves after all ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I don't think you quite get it! It is a draft - there are rules - riders sign up to those rules and then they get picked! If they don't go to the team who picked them they are out of the draft! If too many riders drop out then there is no draft! A draft can mean many things, A bank payment, a first design , a initial thought, or in this case, the idea of a draft is to group riders into a common ground for a fair and certain purpose. So yes I'm quite aware what a Draft is . The whole idea of the FTR system is to promote new , young , talented, British riders along the path of world speedway. This system does not need to be done on a draft basis, but this is the way that BSPA choose, for it to be done. Once clubs are allowed to protect SOME riders, then the idea of a draft is defeated. It then becomes unfair I am troubled to see the logic behind this Draft idea, Its not done for the good of the riders, It's most certainly not done for the good of the sport , Its not done with the spectators in mind, The clubs that have their own FTR assets don't want it, the only benefit it offers is to the clubs that have sat about and done nothing. And there the ones that don't deserve to be helped..... Why would it be doomed ? just bring 4 riders from pot b and it will be the same as last year ..a draft that you loved by the way ..not sure what has change your mind in a season ..who could forget last year when you could not care less as your team had two good draft riders . I have to correct you there. I have always agreed with the FTR. To me that's a massive step forward. But I would never agree with a DRAFT selection process , All it will ever do is give benefits, to the people or clubs who do nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Always amazes me that Kings Lynn are so pro the draft which is fair enough but would they be able to do as much if they didn't loan heat leaders season after season. A draft can mean many things, A bank payment, a first design , a initial thought, or in this case, the idea of a draft is to group riders into a common ground for a fair and certain purpose. So yes I'm quite aware what a Draft is . The whole idea of the FTR system is to promote new , young , talented, British riders along the path of world speedway. This system does not need to be done on a draft basis, but this is the way that BSPA choose, for it to be done. Once clubs are allowed to protect SOME riders, then the idea of a draft is defeated. It then becomes unfair I am troubled to see the logic behind this Draft idea, Its not done for the good of the riders, It's most certainly not done for the good of the sport , Its not done with the spectators in mind, The clubs that have their own FTR assets don't want it, the only benefit it offers is to the clubs that have sat about and done nothing. And there the ones that don't deserve to be helped..... I have to correct you there. I have always agreed with the FTR. To me that's a massive step forward. But I would never agree with a DRAFT selection process , All it will ever do is give benefits, to the people or clubs who do nothing. A bit like loaning heat leaders benefits Kings Lynn as they never purchase any top riders so can't have it both ways. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 A draft can mean many things, A bank payment, a first design , a initial thought, or in this case, the idea of a draft is to group riders into a common ground for a fair and certain purpose. So yes I'm quite aware what a Draft is . The whole idea of the FTR system is to promote new , young , talented, British riders along the path of world speedway. This system does not need to be done on a draft basis, but this is the way that BSPA choose, for it to be done. Once clubs are allowed to protect SOME riders, then the idea of a draft is defeated. It then becomes unfair I am troubled to see the logic behind this Draft idea, Its not done for the good of the riders, It's most certainly not done for the good of the sport , Its not done with the spectators in mind, The clubs that have their own FTR assets don't want it, the only benefit it offers is to the clubs that have sat about and done nothing. And there the ones that don't deserve to be helped..... I have to correct you there. I have always agreed with the FTR. To me that's a massive step forward. But I would never agree with a DRAFT selection process , All it will ever do is give benefits, to the people or clubs who do nothing. Wrong on all points ...the draft system in the main is to save money nearly everyone knows that . The only thing you ever care about is what suits your own side . It's a massive advantage to have you own assets as KL and Poole showed last year as you get first picks and that's why they came first and second in the table . Not sure what advantage teams with no with no ftr get over the others who have . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The whole idea of the FTR system is to promote new , young , talented, British riders along the path of world speedway. This system does not need to be done on a draft basis, but this is the way that BSPA choose, for it to be done. Once clubs are allowed to protect SOME riders, then the idea of a draft is defeated. It then becomes unfair But that wasn't the whole idea, was it?? It was to reduce costs for (some) EL clubs!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Always amazes me that Kings Lynn are so pro the draft which is fair enough but would they be able to do as much if they didn't loan heat leaders season after season. A bit like loaning heat leaders benefits Kings Lynn as they never purchase any top riders so can't have it both ways. We had Mads on loan from Swindon as they didn't want him/didn't have room for him. You should be grateful, and use such loan fees to maybe set up some kind of young rider development scheme. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Always amazes me that Kings Lynn are so pro the draft which is fair enough but would they be able to do as much if they didn't loan heat leaders season after season. A bit like loaning heat leaders benefits Kings Lynn as they never purchase any top riders so can't have it both ways. What wonderful responses!!!!!, First of all these are my opinions and are in no representative of Kings Lynn speedway club. Heat leaders! where do they come into the argument about FTR's and Draft scheme. The asset system in this country is dated and unworkable. The riders are not the property of , merely the clubs that they have to answer to. If an asset doesn't want to ride for his parent club then he'll look else where. The fact that many of the top riders wanting to race for the Stars says many things. and by continuously using other teams asset riders, then at least they are benefitting from the loan fee. It doesn't matter who think they own NKI, he will only ride where HE wants too. What a waste of money it would be to buy a rider who doesn't want to ride for you.... Wrong on all points ...the draft system in the main is to save money nearly everyone knows that . The only thing you ever care about is what suits your own side . It's a massive advantage to have you own assets as KL and Poole showed last year as you get first picks and that's why they came first and second in the table . Not sure what advantage teams with no with no ftr get over the others who have . .The Draft system doesn't save any money. The draft is purely a selection process of the FTR;s It is the introduction of the FTR, that is suppose to save the money . Clubs could sit round the table and sort this out and still save the same about....... At least that way all the riders who ride where they wanted too...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) What wonderful responses!!!!!, First of all these are my opinions and are in no representative of Kings Lynn speedway club. Heat leaders! where do they come into the argument about FTR's and Draft scheme. The asset system in this country is dated and unworkable. The riders are not the property of , merely the clubs that they have to answer to. If an asset doesn't want to ride for his parent club then he'll look else where. The fact that many of the top riders wanting to race for the Stars says many things. and by continuously using other teams asset riders, then at least they are benefitting from the loan fee. It doesn't matter who think they own NKI, he will only ride where HE wants too. What a waste of money it would be to buy a rider who doesn't want to ride for you.... .The Draft system doesn't save any money. The draft is purely a selection process of the FTR;s It is the introduction of the FTR, that is suppose to save the money . Clubs could sit round the table and sort this out and still save the same about....... At least that way all the riders who ride where they wanted too...... How does the draft not save money ? before we had riders on 4 and 5 cma's from Poland and Sweden etc being paid large sums to ride at reserve now we have brits on low points money ..it's not hard to work out .how do you work out it's not saving money do explain ? Your top bit is full of double standards as well . Your happy to loan other teams assets but are up in arms if someone get's the chance to loan yours ... Edited November 25, 2014 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 How does the draft not save money ? before we had riders on 4 and 5 cma's from Poland and Sweden etc being paid large sums to ride at reserve now we have brits on low points money ..it's not hard to work out .how do you work out it's not saving money do explain ? Your top bit is full of double standards as well . Your happy to loan other teams assets but are up in arms if someone get's the chance to loan yours ... A) Call it what you will, but it's the introduction of young FTR that is saving the monies, calling it a draft merely complicates the selection process. Not double standards at all. In the heat leader situation, a club and a rider agree a contract. The rider is agreeing with where he works and what he'd paid. I the FTR situation, is totally different . All riders receive a said amount, regardless of where he's going to ride. and has not choice of who he rides for. In this day and age, we want to encourage all young brits, and help them in every way, not dictate to them just where and what they do just to save some promoters a bit of dosh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 The Draft system doesn't save any money. A) Call it what you will, but it's the introduction of young FTR that is saving the monies That was a quick change of mind! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 That was a quick change of mind! Not a change of mind. at all. .The Draft system doesn't save any money. The draft is purely a selection process of the FTR;s It is the introduction of the FTR, that is suppose to save the money . Clubs could sit round the table and sort this out and still save the same about....... At least that way all the riders who ride where they wanted too...... Had you read the WHOLE posting, instead of picking out bits to create an argument, you will see what the explanation of the wording meant. So no there was no change of mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Had you read the WHOLE posting, instead of picking out bits to create an argument, you will see what the explanation of the wording meant. So no there was no change of mind. You are quoting yourself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Not a change of mind. at all. Oh, so the Fast Track Draft System doesn't save money, and the Fast Track Draft System does save money. Yep, that makes sense.... :drink: p.s. Just out of interest, does the Fast Track Draft System save money? Edited November 25, 2014 by John Leslie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I understand what GRW is getting at, and he quoted himself to show the whole point that he was making. As usual this thread has gone very off topic but what he's trying to say is the fast track reserve riders themselves (Newman instead of Andersson, Kerr instead of Lebedevs and Worrall instead of Pavlic) are saving money because they are cheaper! However 'forcing' teams to pick riders in a draft as opposed to negotiating a contract like you do with the top 5 and how you used to for a reserve, isn't lowering the cost, it is merely the way of distributing the riders. Though, what I think GRW hasn't realised if he's only partly correct as a draft system lowers the cost even further as, for example, instead of Andersson coming on a 4.00 and £100 a point plus air fares etc, they now sign Newman on £40 a point with less expenses and are forced to only pay him £40 a point. However if there wasn't a draft Leicester could want to improve their pool A rider from last year and so offer Newman £50 a point, Poole respond by paying him £60 a point etc etc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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