Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted April 15, 2015 Report Share Posted April 15, 2015 Anyone know what's happening Monday at Kent? I know it says amateur meeting on the website, but not much elseFull details are on the website now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) I am given to understand that Danny Ayers could be out for about a fortnight ,broke a small bone in his hand..I believe we will operate rider replacement on sunday at Mildenhall///.But you know Danny anything might happen ? And rider replacement will weaken us considerably ... On riders dropping out this year i dont think the public realise the huge costs to keep going and with very low pay rates in this league it does not surprise me that some just can not carry on..Some of these lads are riding on very poor equipment and in some cases could be better than they look at present, if they had the necessary financial backing.. Edited April 16, 2015 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 The costs are huge but riders should be aware of this before accepting team places. If they have had / maintained bikes previously they would know the massive costs even to run in amateur events. The pay in the NL should be seen as a contribution towards something the rider enjoys rather than try and make it pay for itself. I tire of hearing riders saying I need sponsors to do X or I can't continue unless Y. Id like to drive across America but don't have the money but I certainly wouldn't ask somebody else to pay for it. On a positive note Mondays meeting looks to be an entertaining event. Fairly evenly matched riders and a test of the reserves / potential to look at new recruits? All for £6. I will certainly be making the effort for this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Are you for real? Without sponsors there wouldn't be speedway. I suppose the club's shouldn't be looking for sponsorship either then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 I didn't say that there shouldn't be sponsors. I said riders in the NL shouldn't rely on them. If sponsors want to get on board with a rider then great. It eases the burden but when riders (and we have all seen them) say if I don't get some sponsorship I will have to quit it really gets up my nose. There are a lot fewer sponsored riders than you think and many of them are turning in good performances every week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 And wtf would you know what I think? Been around plenty long enough to know what makes this sport tick and every rider in whatever league needs all the help he can get. Especially those at nl where they're going through bikes more often. Been there and got a drawer full of t shirts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Apologies badly worded. Should have said fewer sponsored riders than many people realise. I agree that any assistance to any rider is beneficial however I don't believe that riders should be dependant on it. But that's just my opinion and doesn't necessarily mean it is shared by others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 (edited) To get anywhere in this game, they are totally dependent on sponsership, whether it be parents ,,grandparents ,,friends or keen businesses ..After 60yrs in and around speedway with a grandson currently racing, i have never seen a rider get anywhere without considerable financial help... I am afraid your on your own on this one Sings for Kings ..Which surprises me as we usually concur on most aspects of speedway... Edited April 16, 2015 by waco 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted April 16, 2015 Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Well said there Waco. Sponsors are the life blood of the sport . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel1 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 Might be that both Waco and Sings4Kings are both right in their thoughts. A lad needs to give it a try so he gets kitted out (not cheap), finds he likes it and has potential. This then may be where the costs start to escalate and extra help is either a must or very welcome indeed. We the paying public moan over the cost of watching but it still is cheaper than most football league games and these lads put their lives on the line as well. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted April 17, 2015 Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 To say sponsors are the lifeblood is false though. Fans are. Without fans there'd be no sport at all. Sponsorship is basically advertising, if nobody is seeing that advertising then it is just an unnecessary overhead for the company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyrocket Posted April 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2015 To say sponsors are the lifeblood is false though. Fans are. Without fans there'd be no sport at all. Sponsorship is basically advertising, if nobody is seeing that advertising then it is just an unnecessary overhead for the company.What came first! Speedway for fans to watch or fans asking for speedway?If the riders can't raise the money to compete then spectators have nothing to watch. Sponsors are the lifeline of any sport, especially our sport, we love to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 What came first! Speedway for fans to watch or fans asking for speedway? If the riders can't raise the money to compete then spectators have nothing to watch. Sponsors are the lifeline of any sport, especially our sport, we love to watch. That's irrelevant, the sport of speedway wouldn't completely die without sponsors, it may end up a shadow of what it is today but there would still be fans and riders willing to fund themselves. If all the fans gave up on speedway then it would die a death. Supporters are more important than sponsors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Obviously the sport would die with out the support of fans ..But equally the riders would dissapear without sponsers so in either case the sport would die, ,maybe with the exception of amateur level,, but then who could afford to rent a track for them to ride on ,,without paying customers ?..Or the riders having to pay large fee,s to ride it ???.....Back to the money question again ? Edited April 18, 2015 by waco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Supporters v sponsors. What a ridiculous argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 (edited) Supporters v sponsors. What a ridiculous argument.An extension of the argument you instigated. Obviously the sport would die with out the support of fans ..But equally the riders would dissapear without sponsers so in either case the sport would die, ,maybe with the exception of amateur level,, but then who could afford to rent a track for them to ride on ,,without paying customers ?..Or the riders having to pay large fee,s to ride it ???.....Back to the money question again ? And as I stated and you have agreed here, no fans = no sport, no sponsors = a lower level of competition but not to the extent of the sport dying out. Sponsorship is a method of advertisement in most cases, these sponsors are not doing riders a favour, unless they want no acknowledgment of their financial help, they are advertising their businesses. Edited April 18, 2015 by RocketBen1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Well I'll give over to your superior knowledge. 😴 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 Well I'll give over to your superior knowledge. When all else fails sarcasm always beats logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaptooth Posted April 18, 2015 Report Share Posted April 18, 2015 No I'm very sincere . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebel1 Posted April 19, 2015 Report Share Posted April 19, 2015 Slightly different but I remember a chap who built a sidecar outfit for the grass back in the sixties but could not ride it. He found a driver and a passenger to race the unit for him. He used to tow it behind a three wheeler (those were the days). A slightly different way of getting your kicks, yet life is about living. What none of us knows is why sponsors sponsor riders or teams. All I know is that I have been a supporter and back then I used to marshall or for my club would be secretary of a meeting for scrambles and grass. We should all be a little more tolerant and be thankful that those of us who may not have the guts to ride competitively channel our support via alternative means. Done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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