barrow boy Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I understand that a rider with many years BEL experience has been told that he cannot drop down to the BPL because his average is higher than 6.00. Is this correct. If so will this then prevent at least 6 other riders from continuing to double up next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 It only effects EL riders without a PL average. However, the promoters are looking to stop all riders from doubling up for more than two seasons ( this being the first year). Surprised they agreed this! But it does need to happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I understand that a rider with many years BEL experience has been told that he cannot drop down to the BPL because his average is higher than 6.00. Is this correct. If so will this then prevent at least 6 other riders from continuing to double up next season. Simple solution, do a Sean Wilson/Joe Screen. Have a few bad meetings, drop average to below 6 and bobs your fathers brother. Rorys average is 6.22, only takes 2 terrible meetings scoring 1 or 2 and he'd get a nice, newer, low enough average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveLyric2 Posted November 19, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 (edited) Surely the scheme should be about 'doubling -up', ie to give PL riders a couple of seasons to see if they are good enough for the top league - they then have to make a choice!! Â It really shouldn't be for 'doubling-down', ie for established EL riders to deprive anyone from a PL team place!!! Â Unless of course the EL riders reckon they can't perform consistently anymore at EL level - in which case they should just drop to the PL and look for lower league team places on the continent. Edited November 19, 2014 by Skidder1 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Bcmma Cook Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Or put all the teams into one division in a split Northern/Southern League so that riders can only race for one team! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Simple solution, do a Sean Wilson/Joe Screen. Have a few bad meetings, drop average to below 6 and bobs your fathers brother. Rorys average is 6.22, only takes 2 terrible meetings scoring 1 or 2 and he'd get a nice, newer, low enough average. Certainly worked for King last year, and shouldn't be too difficult for Watt or Schlein either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 And with the new conversion rate supposedly in place at 1.40 a rider at 6 goes into the PL at just 8.40. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Simple solution, do a Sean Wilson/Joe Screen. Have a few bad meetings, drop average to below 6 and bobs your fathers brother. Rorys average is 6.22, only takes 2 terrible meetings scoring 1 or 2 and he'd get a nice, newer, low enough average. Are you suggesting 'fiddling' again, I would have thought there was enough 'fiddling' going on in Speedway as it is with all the stupid legal Rules that apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Are you suggesting 'fiddling' again, I would have thought there was enough 'fiddling' going on in Speedway as it is with all the stupid legal Rules that apply. My point is that this goes on.So putting arbitary figure in place is stupid. Do you really think Danny King was struggling badly and then magically found form the day after he signed for Newcastle by chance last season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 My point is that this goes on.So putting arbitary figure in place is stupid. Do you really think Danny King was struggling badly and then magically found form the day after he signed for Newcastle by chance last season? Possibly not, but starting to get paid again might have had something to do with it!!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Leslie Posted November 27, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Surely the scheme should be about 'doubling -up', ie to give PL riders a couple of seasons to see if they are good enough for the top league - they then have to make a choice!! Â It really shouldn't be for 'doubling-down', ie for established EL riders to deprive anyone from a PL team place!!! Â Unless of course the EL riders reckon they can't perform consistently anymore at EL level - in which case they should just drop to the PL and look for lower league team places on the continent. Â This is spot on. Â Doubling up not doubling down. Â It should be for promising upcoming youngsters to get a taste of EL without losing their PL rides. Not for ageing seasoned EL foreigners to get a second income. If the ageing seasoned EL foreigner thinks he's no longer EL standard, then just go PL. Not both. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Perhaps all the foreign stars will come back to the elite league when they start to age and form deteriorates to a level that rules them out of Polish, Swedish leagues, back to the good old EL and then double down......... Let's have a sneak preview of a PL team in 2020  Shlein Hampel Bachelor N Pedersen C Holder Harris Nicholls  Great!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedcarRacer Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 My point is that this goes on.So putting arbitary figure in place is stupid. Do you really think Danny King was struggling badly and then magically found form the day after he signed for Newcastle by chance last season? Â Of course it goes on, it has been known for big hitters in the PL (and am sure in the EL too) to look at lowering a little in order to facilitate guest appearances later in the year- we all know it happens, whether we like it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Or put all the teams into one division in a split Northern/Southern League so that riders can only race for one team! North and South wouldn't work well as most EL tracks are in the Southern region and riders of EL experience will be stronger   Riders will be watching their averages and not so much have a few bad meetings but more likely follow team mates to score 4+3 rather than 6+1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 It should be made plain and simple no one who rides in the EL should be allowed to drop to the PL unless they are past their best and will no longer be riding in the EL. The PL should be for young riders from the NL to go up to get more experiance. I know EL riders have to earn a living but if that is the case then they should look for rides abroad to allow them to earn the extra cash and ride in leagues of simular standing to the EL. There are to many EL riders from overseas plus British riders taking places in the PL that should be given to young lads from the NL who wish to better their careers. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) It should be made plain and simple no one who rides in the EL should be allowed to drop to the PL unless they are past their best and will no longer be riding in the EL. The PL should be for young riders from the NL to go up to get more experiance. I know EL riders have to earn a living but if that is the case then they should look for rides abroad to allow them to earn the extra cash and ride in leagues of simular standing to the EL. There are to many EL riders from overseas plus British riders taking places in the PL that should be given to young lads from the NL who wish to better their careers. Is it wrong to drop down though, some do it some don't ever...... Name 7 EL Brits and 7 non Brits that have done this in the last 7 years................? Drop down to PL I mean...... Edited December 1, 2014 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 1, 2014 Report Share Posted December 1, 2014 Is it wrong to drop down though, some do it some don't ever...... Name 7 EL Brits and 7 non Brits that have done this in the last 7 years................? Drop down to PL I mean...... Barker, Kennett, King, Screen, Allen, Howe and Robbo have all dropped down and doubled up at some point. As have Vissing, Doyle, Ostergaard, Lindgren, Lemon, Wells and Bach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Barker, Kennett, King, Screen, Allen, Howe and Robbo have all dropped down and doubled up at some point. As have Vissing, Doyle, Ostergaard, Lindgren, Lemon, Wells and Bach. Really? Dropped down, don't you mean never really made it into the EL proper? Surely , you cannot count Some of those, they signed for EL teams, then got loaned out in their early years... Or dropped down at the hind end of there careers, only to he lured back to the EL in reserve or 2nd string.... Not in their prime, using the PL as easy money cash cows..... I meant to add, the likes of Screen and co did sterling work in the EL league, and then dropped down when they could no longer cut it as heat leaders or get lucrative overseas deals...... I personally don't mind seeing the Mature, riders in the PL, they can pass immense experience and advice to the younger lads in that league... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 2, 2014 Report Share Posted December 2, 2014 Really? Dropped down, don't you mean never really made it into the EL proper? Surely , you cannot count Some of those, they signed for EL teams, then got loaned out in their early years... Or dropped down at the hind end of there careers, only to he lured back to the EL in reserve or 2nd string.... Not in their prime, using the PL as easy money cash cows..... I meant to add, the likes of Screen and co did sterling work in the EL league, and then dropped down when they could no longer cut it as heat leaders or get lucrative overseas deals...... I personally don't mind seeing the Mature, riders in the PL, they can pass immense experience and advice to the younger lads in that league... Every single one of them riders listed had at least 1 full season of full time EL racing before deciding to double up. Barker maybe should be excluded and he was prevented form doubling up in 2009 as his PL average was over 8 (8.04) and he then doubled up at the earlier opportunity. But Kennett, King, Screen, Allen, Howe and Robbo all had probably 4 or 5 season of EL at least before dropping down. All hit an EL average of at least 6.5 too so we hardly bit part players. Of the foreignors, one of two of them are a little more dubious, but still, they ride EL full time before moving (back) to the PL and then doubling up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Really? Dropped down, don't you mean never really made it into the EL proper? Surely , you cannot count Some of those, they signed for EL teams, then got loaned out in their early years... Or dropped down at the hind end of there careers, only to he lured back to the EL in reserve or 2nd string.... Not in their prime, using the PL as easy money cash cows..... I meant to add, the likes of Screen and co did sterling work in the EL league, and then dropped down when they could no longer cut it as heat leaders or get lucrative overseas deals...... I personally don't mind seeing the Mature, riders in the PL, they can pass immense experience and advice to the younger lads in that league... This was proved by Stuart Robson at Newcastle during his Seasons there. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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