blueherb777 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Great to see Sons etc of Ex-riders carry on the family tradition. Looking forward to the NL next year as could be the most interesting of all the Leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 The below is an extract from Speedway GB. Very clever achievement by the two gents...... He’s the son of former Hackney rider Trevor Banks and Phil Morris, who is putting the Brummies team together before taking up his role with the FIM at Grand Prix and World Cup level, is pleased with the move. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Welcome and good luck to Mr Banks Jr. It will be interesting to see how he and Ellis Perks at Cradley get on this year. Being the son of a former rider can be a good thing but as Liam Rumsey at Mildenhall has shown, it's no guarantee to greatness. Let's keep fingers crossed though that these riders adapt to the sport and make life interesting. Who is Liam Rumsey's Dad then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Who is Liam Rumsey's Dad then? I believe his grandad was a rider. Long before my time though. Les rings a bell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Who is Liam Rumsey's Dad then? I was told it's Les Rumsey - http://www.speedwayplus.com/les_rumsey.shtml I believe his grandad was a rider. Long before my time though. Les rings a bell. Maybe I was told wrong...Blimey, they must 'av 'em young in that part of the world if it's a grandad / grandson thing...Still, same principle about no guarantees to greatness applies. Edited December 18, 2014 by uk martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Great to see Sons etc of Ex-riders carry on the family tradition. Looking forward to the NL next year as could be the most interesting of all the Leagues. However it does seem to put an inordinate amount of pressure on the lads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david2905 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't mind us going with a top heavy top at all, in the EL we always went with strength through the order and the usual scenario was was to be winning a meeting by 10/12 by about heat 10, out comes the top heavy oppositions No1 on a tactical, followed by heats 13 & 15 and a decent lead soon evaporates into a loss, sick to death of being done by this, tactical rides favour big hitters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) I don't mind us going with a top heavy top at all, in the EL we always went with strength through the order and the usual scenario was was to be winning a meeting by 10/12 by about heat 10, out comes the top heavy oppositions No1 on a tactical, followed by heats 13 & 15 and a decent lead soon evaporates into a loss, sick to death of being done by this, tactical rides favour big hitters. It doesn't work like that in the NL though as you often have riders who make much bigger improvements that in other leagues simply as they are just starting out. So even though I expect Ellis to be the top rider in the league, there simply isn't a lot of room for him to increase his average, whereas you look lower down the order and Zach could double his average, Perks could triple his and even someone like Extance could add 2-3 points despite not being a eat leader before and how many 5pt riders do that in other leagues! Look at Greaves last season, if you had a 4pt rider outside of the reserve berth for the first time in the PL, would you expect him to finish on 7.12?? Edited December 18, 2014 by Islander15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21st century heathen Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Don't get the love for the Birmingham team after 3 signings. Dangerous to build so top heavy, because as good as they will be in 13 and 15, there are a lot of other races in a meeting! They need to have 3 or 4 fantastic signings to fill in the rest of the team to do anything. I understand where you're coming from and I can liken it to many post 1983 Heathens teams. We were always top heavy with often 'dodgy' reserves and over the course of a league season we'd come up short. But those bottom end riders could turn it on at times and we hoovered up trophies for fun. With the NL reverting to a straight forward battle for top place in the league one could argue that this comparison is valid but there's a slight twist in the tale. Strong heat leaders in ht 13 and ht 15 can be worth their weight in gold with the daft league points scoring we have. A top two banging in 5-1's can grab you 8 points and that, at the end of the season, could have big impact on the number of league points scored. A ht 13 5-1 can give the riders in ht 14 a lift too rather than an it's all over anyway approach to the heat. Maybe it is being brought up on a diet of strong heat leaders that gives me a biased view but I feel a good top two (assuming sensible averages - not signing on 11 each) is not a bad way to start building your team. Zach is a fantastic prospect and a riders I hoped I may see in Heathens colours when I first saw him ride a couple of years ago. I don't know anything at all about Banks but typically the lads who come across from moto-x tend to be good gaters and after a year or so to settle make progress quickly. If B'ham name a good solid NL rider next, or one likely to make a big step in a weaker league, then they are looking very good and certainly strong contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Well i thought Luke Chessell made tremendous strides towards the back end of 2014, yes he still has a fall but not so often, but i did notice this seems to happen when a rider is in front of him, and he cant choose his own line so easily, However Luke is one of the best gaters around so that doesnt happen to often, also his style seems more natural now, and we musnt forget he held the Bronze Helmet for a short time that in itself is NO mean achievement. I expect Luke to gain a 7+ average this season. Now why bring this up on a Brummie thread, well Luke is still available, and for me just the type of rider Brum need, and a few other Teams for that matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted December 18, 2014 Report Share Posted December 18, 2014 Well i thought Luke Chessell made tremendous strides towards the back end of 2014, yes he still has a fall but not so often, but i did notice this seems to happen when a rider is in front of him, and he cant choose his own line so easily, However Luke is one of the best gaters around so that doesnt happen to often, also his style seems more natural now, and we musnt forget he held the Bronze Helmet for a short time that in itself is NO mean achievement. I expect Luke to gain a 7+ average this season. Now why bring this up on a Brummie thread, well Luke is still available, and for me just the type of rider Brum need, and a few other Teams for that matter. I believe he is a Rye House asset, the Raiders could do a lot worse than look at Chessell for 2015. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordoftheShale Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Welcome Alex Wilson. Any relation to the great Reg... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OGT Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Welcome Alex Wilson. Any relation to the great Reg... Or Ray, Steve or Ian? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordoftheShale Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Or Ann or Nancy... Oh wait a minute they're from Canadian rockers Heart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 As long as it's NOT Harold Wilson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Wilson is the third most common English surname! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canalman Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Is he a Sheffield asset ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Been told just now that he may be of Sean Wilson lineage...perhaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 Been told just now that he may be of Sean Wilson lineage...perhaps? If he's half as good, or half as mad - will be quite a signing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 23, 2014 Report Share Posted December 23, 2014 I went through a list with a friend, of all the "second generatioin" riders that we could think of. At best it was a 50-50 split between those 2nd generation riders who were better than their parent, and those who didn't reach the same peaks. We've had our share at Birmingham, where Mark Warren wasn't as good as his father Graham, likewise, Jay Herne wasn't up to Phil Herne's standards, and Aiden Collins never matched Les Collins's achievements (and there are more). On the other side you have Jason Crump and Tai Woffinden who definately our-did their parents (likewise more could be reeled off) So basically you can't judge young speedway riders like you can racehorses. Breeding and bloodstock doesn't guarantee anything other than more pressure to bear than their compatriots get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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