arnieg Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Speedwayresults.com is saying he was born 26/5/1998, without looking elsewhere I bet its meant to say 88 instead on 98. 16/2/89 according to SCB rider Registration list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted December 28, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Well let's just hope people will come and watch the team next season the club have done there best to assemble a competitive team and for £120 for the whole season is a snip and will prove to be great value can't wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I have to admit, Phil Morris has used his contacts with Youth Speedway to good effect, cant really fault the Team building. It needs the Birmingham public to get behind the Team and support the Management in there efforts, and these young kids in there efforts for The Brummies, Im sure you will enjoy your Speedway again, no need to worry about if so and so is riding, this is your team get behind them, at £120 for a seasons racing what is there not to like about it. You will find these young guys are much more aproachable than some of there EL & PL counterparts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guitar_art Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 I am ashamed to say that I know very little about the NL. A lot of people seem to b4 saying this is a strong team. So my question to everyone is: Is this a strong team and why? I shall support the team come what may and will keep my fingers crossed that injury does not cause us problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 (edited) I am ashamed to say that I know very little about the NL. A lot of people seem to b4 saying this is a strong team. So my question to everyone is: Is this a strong team and why? I shall support the team come what may and will keep my fingers crossed that injury does not cause us problems. Yes this is a strong team and, along with Cradley, look the frontrunners in the league. From an unbiased view, and having seen a lot of NL racing (Look at my sig): Ellis will be one of, if not the, best rider in the league. He's only had 1 full NL season but still managed 8.90 with the Islanders and I expect him to push on towards a 10 average, if not creeping into the low 10s. Perry completes probably the strongest top 2 in the league and he's been around a couple of years now to know the tracks and be able to establish himself as a real force and will be bteer than many other teams number 1s. It was only 2 years ago that he averaged 9.88 when the league was stronger than it is now and when he works out how to pass at Perry Barr I can see him averaging around 9. This may only be Chapman's second season but he ended it last year at number 1 for Scunthorpe and was set for a maximum in his last meeting but for a fall, and that was after he guested in the PL meeting and took an almighty fall in heat 2 when he got ran over! The knack to winning teams at this level riders that are progressing quick and Sam falls into this category. I can see him adding near to 2 points. Zach has been ready for the NL for a year or 2 now but his age has ruled him out until 2015. He's definitely one of GB's better prospects, proven by his success on the world stage at junior levels, and it may take him a little while to get up to speed with league racing (having done no or little MDL) but when he does he'll be one of the best 3 pointers in the league and I see his average, nearly doubling. Wilson has shown his promise in MDL appearances last season and Scunthorpe's winter series and has beaten established riders such as Danny Phillips (Cradley last year, now Stoke) and Tom Woolley (Buxton). Again I expect him to be one of the better 3 men and average around 4 to 5. Banks rode a handful of times last season for Devon and scored a repsectable number of points. I expect him to be the 'weakest' of the three newbies but anyone with motocross background knows how to gate! Though, along with Zach and Wilson, as there is an abnormally high number of 3 pointers in the leageu this year it'll only help all 3 to settle in. It also looks a very entertaining team. One thing you will notce with the youngsters is how much they progress over a campaign and 5, with maybe Perry apart, fit into the category of fast improving! Ellis, Perry and Zach are racers too so don't turn up expecting gate and go! Edited December 28, 2014 by Islander15 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 ... fingers crossed that injury does not cause us problems. Injuries won't be the problem. Premier League teams poaching the best riders will be the problem. If Ellis and Perry are as good as is being said, then what's the betting a struggling PL team comes and takes one or both of these riders away? And then what? Remembering how fans reacted during "Birkogate", there may be all sorts of disquiet especially amongst the forum afficionados if the Brummies team is decimated. I think that it's going to take some getting used to that at NL level, winning the league isn't everything. Feeding riders to the upper leagues should be a mark of success as well. But who will see it that way? How many arguements and fall outs will happen along the way? And who will think that their hard earned cash is worth spending on a team that could struggle if the big guns are taken away from it? It's a fact of life that's not been faced before, and I think that fans need to be reconciled to it before making great expectations for themselves. I think that in true olympian spirit, the NL is all about the taking part, not the winning. The bigger picture is going to hang around whether there will be more fans on the terraces at the end of the season than at the beginning. If there are the season has been a success. Where the Brummies finish in the league will be very much secondary. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted December 28, 2014 Report Share Posted December 28, 2014 Pretty sure he is a lot older than 16 Sam Chapman is 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Injuries won't be the problem. Premier League teams poaching the best riders will be the problem. If Ellis and Perry are as good as is being said, then what's the betting a struggling PL team comes and takes one or both of these riders away? And then what? Remembering how fans reacted during "Birkogate", there may be all sorts of disquiet especially amongst the forum afficionados if the Brummies team is decimated. I think that it's going to take some getting used to that at NL level, winning the league isn't everything. Feeding riders to the upper leagues should be a mark of success as well. But who will see it that way? How many arguements and fall outs will happen along the way? And who will think that their hard earned cash is worth spending on a team that could struggle if the big guns are taken away from it? It's a fact of life that's not been faced before, and I think that fans need to be reconciled to it before making great expectations for themselves. I think that in true olympian spirit, the NL is all about the taking part, not the winning. The bigger picture is going to hang around whether there will be more fans on the terraces at the end of the season than at the beginning. If there are the season has been a success. Where the Brummies finish in the league will be very much secondary. Of course in Poland they do it so much different don't they. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Injuries won't be the problem. Premier League teams poaching the best riders will be the problem. If Ellis and Perry are as good as is being said, then what's the betting a struggling PL team comes and takes one or both of these riders away? And then what? Remembering how fans reacted during "Birkogate", there may be all sorts of disquiet especially amongst the forum afficionados if the Brummies team is decimated. I think that it's going to take some getting used to that at NL level, winning the league isn't everything. Feeding riders to the upper leagues should be a mark of success as well. But who will see it that way? How many arguements and fall outs will happen along the way? And who will think that their hard earned cash is worth spending on a team that could struggle if the big guns are taken away from it? It's a fact of life that's not been faced before, and I think that fans need to be reconciled to it before making great expectations for themselves. I think that in true olympian spirit, the NL is all about the taking part, not the winning. The bigger picture is going to hang around whether there will be more fans on the terraces at the end of the season than at the beginning. If there are the season has been a success. Where the Brummies finish in the league will be very much secondary. Pretty sure Perry can do both PL and NL , Doubt that Ellis will be there long though, can see him going pretty much undefeated in the watered down league. Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Pretty sure Perry can do both PL and NL , Doubt that Ellis will be there long though, can see him going pretty much undefeated in the watered down league. Junior So can Ellis as his PL average is under 5.00. I am pretty sure that that is something that Birmingham considered. 19.9.2.1 A Rider with a PL MA of 6.00 or below if not declared in a PL 1–7 at the start of the season, although any such Rider who moves back into the PL will be ineligible if he has a PL MA of 5.00 or above. NB. A Rider with a PL MA of 5.00 or below joining a NL Team after losing a PL Team place may not remain in the NL Team if he subsequently gains a PL Team place, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Injuries won't be the problem. Premier League teams poaching the best riders will be the problem. If Ellis and Perry are as good as is being said, then what's the betting a struggling PL team comes and takes one or both of these riders away? And then what? Remembering how fans reacted during "Birkogate", there may be all sorts of disquiet especially amongst the forum afficionados if the Brummies team is decimated. I think that it's going to take some getting used to that at NL level, winning the league isn't everything. Feeding riders to the upper leagues should be a mark of success as well. But who will see it that way? How many arguements and fall outs will happen along the way? And who will think that their hard earned cash is worth spending on a team that could struggle if the big guns are taken away from it? It's a fact of life that's not been faced before, and I think that fans need to be reconciled to it before making great expectations for themselves. I think that in true olympian spirit, the NL is all about the taking part, not the winning. The bigger picture is going to hang around whether there will be more fans on the terraces at the end of the season than at the beginning. If there are the season has been a success. Where the Brummies finish in the league will be very much secondary. isnt the idea of the NL to feed the leagues above it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teaboy279 Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 isnt the idea of the NL to feed the leagues above it? In theory yes but a rider who has been developed by a national league team, should not miss a meeting a NL meeting to do a pre or elite in the event of a clash. The team you sign for first should have priority all season imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 isnt the idea of the NL to feed the leagues above it?no the idea is please the paying supporters of that club even at NL level , ,speedway is for fans ,it is a form of entertainment and when you make it about the riders you have the sport we have today ,the future for riders is up to the riders to make a future for themselves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 no the idea is please the paying supporters of that club even at NL level , ,speedway is for fans ,it is a form of entertainment and when you make it about the riders you have the sport we have today ,the future for riders is up to the riders to make a future for themselves So why does the EL and PL subsidise the NL then Its called progress...and riders need that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 no the idea is please the paying supporters of that club even at NL level , ,speedway is for fans ,it is a form of entertainment and when you make it about the riders you have the sport we have today ,the future for riders is up to the riders to make a future for themselves Couldnt disagree more the idea of the NL is to nurture talent so those that are good enough can move up no rider should be aiming to be a serial NL rider 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 Couldnt disagree more the idea of the NL is to nurture talent so those that are good enough can move up no rider should be aiming to be a serial NL riderthats the idea for the rider but that's not why NL teams exist and to say it's to train riders for higher clubs is an insult to every paying fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) Couldnt disagree more the idea of the NL is to nurture talent That is one intention behind the NL but for the majority of the clubs (if not all of them) it is not the only one, nor can it be. All of the stand alone clubs in the NL are there because their attendances and overall income are insufficient to be in the EL or PL and that's precisely why Tony Mole and Bob Dugard entered their teams in that league. If all of their circumstances were favourable enough to enable a move to a higher level I have little doubt that they would be there - Birmingham, Eastbourne, Stoke & Mildenhall have all tried and there has been much talk about Cradley & Kent moving up. Buxton are the sole exception. The NL is therefore just as much a business as the EL or PL and, in order to be viable, they have to attract fans in exactly the same way - by having a successful, winning team that serves up an entertaining product. It might be the NL, but if a team starts losing every week its supporters will still be out the door as fast as any at a PL club regardless of the development of young riders. I doubt that there are many (if any) who aim to be a serial NL rider when they start out. Whether they end up like that is very much another matter. Dean has, as usual, a point. Edited December 29, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 (edited) So why does the EL and PL subsidise the NL then Its called progress...and riders need that could you explain how the elite and premier subsidise a club like Buxton? Let me into a little secret the elite and prem could care a Ratts ass about the NL if they did they would all run NL team ,they only show an interest when there is finacial gain for themselves . If you believe the 1st line of your post then you believe what you read in the speedway star snd press releases Edited December 29, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted December 29, 2014 Report Share Posted December 29, 2014 So can Ellis as his PL average is under 5.00. I am pretty sure that that is something that Birmingham considered. 19.9.2.1 A Rider with a PL MA of 6.00 or below if not declared in a PL 1–7 at the start of the season, although any such Rider who moves back into the PL will be ineligible if he has a PL MA of 5.00 or above. NB. A Rider with a PL MA of 5.00 or below joining a NL Team after losing a PL Team place may not remain in the NL Team if he subsequently gains a PL Team place, Cheers ok, that must have changed then as im sure it was only 4 last year which is why Adam and otheres werent n the NL last year. Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 30, 2014 Report Share Posted December 30, 2014 Cheers ok, that must have changed then as im sure it was only 4 last year which is why Adam and otheres werent n the NL last year. Junior To double up between a PL & NL club at the start of the season its 4.00. If you start the season at NL only you can double up later in the season if you are below 5.00. In Ellis' case, he can't start the season doubling up but if he gains a PL place later in the season he can continue riding for Birmingham. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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