Agrotron Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 What Holder not Ward Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 He also says in the Speedway Star that he will ride elsewhere if he has too. If i was him id call MF`s hand because it is clear he wants Ward as first choice. If i was MF id plan without Ward anyway. Its included in the rules in this weeks Speedway Star. I believe ward a be 3rd choice unless Magic decides not to race in UK. Personally i don't see it being a weird rule. Its probably done to stop `rich` clubs building top heavy just because they can. Think the rule is clear, you wouldn't be able to sign `another` rider over 7 if you already have 2 in the season. Pretty stupid rule i think as 7 is quite low. But all about building to the cheapest pocket as always Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I believe ward a be 3rd choice unless Magic decides not to race in UK. Pretty stupid rule i think as 7 is quite low. But all about building to the cheapest pocket as always I would think rather than it be a money reason.The rule will have been brought in to try and give every club a chance of fielding a competative side seeing as there were only 14 riders from last year that ended up with a 7+ average.With the possiblity that Woffinden.Pedersen Kildemand and piotr Pawlicki wont be back next season that leaves 10 so i just hope a few of the missing riders this year will come back for next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 So all the talk in the BSPA statement about 'helping as many GP riders consider the EL in 2015' was utter bull rubbish, if only a couple of clubs can actually afford them!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I believe ward a be 3rd choice unless Magic decides not to race in UK. To be honest if he is 3rd choice id get Holder and Janowski signed up now - assuming Magic wants to race EL. So all the talk in the BSPA statement about 'helping as many GP riders consider the EL in 2015' was utter bull rubbish, if only a couple of clubs can actually afford them!!! At least its an option for those who can afford them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 So all the talk in the BSPA statement about 'helping as many GP riders consider the EL in 2015' was utter bull rubbish, if only a couple of clubs can actually afford them!!! Like i said i don't think it is about the money its about the number of meetings and all the different race nights that put them off. Woffinden and Kildemand have stated this as the reason they may not return.The BSPA do want the G P or ex G P riders to return because even if the 10 remaining 7+ average riders from this season return next year the league is still short of 6 riders on a 7+ average to give every Elite team two 7+ riders and the way its looking a few teams may start with one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capone Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 The absence of the top riders doesn't necessarily make the product weaker and certainly not to newcomers. Conversely, some changes that will make a better and stronger product are; better track preparation and more races involving riders of comparable ability, which is more likely to produce better racing, more modern and dynamic meeting presentation with no unnecessary delays, simpler rules and consistent and transparent decision making by the BSPA and referees, better facilities that meet the expectations of newcomers, teams with local riders who develop and improve over time and teams which retain the a majority of same riders year on year to encourage fans to identify with them. What has to be achieved is that at the end of a meeting paying spectators feel that they have had a thoroughly enjoyable, value for money, time and can't wait to repeat the experience. The return of the top riders could be a contributory factor in achieving that experience but it is presently unaffordable, even if they wanted to return. It is a fallacy to think the product has to be weaker without them. The factors I have mentioned are affordable and achievable and will make the product much stronger than it has been for many years. YES....riders of comparable ability....this is what the elitional league does NOT have...and never will as long as they combine elite and premier(ok ish) or as now elite premier and national..(elitional) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) Suppose you have a point there, as pointed out above stops Poole having the turbo twins and janowski, with two 4.50 riders as second strings. what I meant by my question was this, and il use Kings Lynns 2014 team as an example. (Il use made up averages) NKI and Bjerre are 9.20 and 8.40 respectively. In July, Rory Schlein improves his average from 6.30 to 7.15, would he have to then be dropped for a sub 7.00 rider? No, the rule would state that you are not allowed to start with more than 2 riders over 7. Any increase in average by a 3rd rider would be allowed, as any team that increases their combined average to over 34 would also be OK. Edited November 23, 2014 by DunRobin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 No, the rule would state that you are not allowed to start with more than 2 riders over 7. Any increase in average by a 3rd rider would be allowed, as any team that increases their combined average to over 34 would also be OK. So if by mid season you've got 3x 7+ riders, would you be able to replace one or two with other 7+ riders - as long as their averages were lower? Or would you have to replace one with a below 7 pointer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 if people did not tinker with the agm. F1 would still be in the same position it was 40 years ago and drivers would be wearing basin helmets and flammable cotton racing suits. things have to move on, evolution they call it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 if people did not tinker with the agm. F1 would still be in the same position it was 40 years ago and drivers would be wearing basin helmets and flammable cotton racing suits. things have to move on, evolution they call it. Yes -Yellow and Black helmets are a real evolution! I think you will find F1 was more revolution than evolution! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 So if by mid season you've got 3x 7+ riders, would you be able to replace one or two with other 7+ riders - as long as their averages were lower? Or would you have to replace one with a below 7 pointer? I would have thought so, as in other seasons if you are only replacing riders. If you re-declare then the 34 points for the 1-5 positions comes into force. I can't recall which season but there was a recent limit of only 2 riders over 8 at the start of the season. You were not forced to replace riders then if you ended up with more than 2 due to average increases & you were able to replace like for like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuzzCagney Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 I'm a bit staggered that anybody would compare speedway with F1! Speedway is run by, at best, well meaning bumblers- at worst downright fools. Formula 1 has become one of the planets biggest sports. And that's despite the paucity of anything that you could point to as actual entertainment! If only they could tinker similar success for Speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 when i was a kid there was trolleys . now we have gravity racers. speedway is moving on, but not to every ones liking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Unfortunately until the BSPA come up with a cost model that enables riders and promoters to profit, no rule tinkering will cure speedways problems. Once business people realise there is something on their doorstep that will make money for them, people will want to ride bikes and people will want to invest in infastructure and promotion. Edited November 24, 2014 by Deano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 F1 is so boorrrrriiinng just like watching a giant scalextric where is the drama and the tension .....oh yeah when one goes in the pits and the other drivers takes over the lead ----yawn speedway is way more exciting , new race every 2 mins not one long borefest 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 F1 is so boorrrrriiinng just like watching a giant scalextric where is the drama and the tension .....oh yeah when one goes in the pits and the other drivers takes over the lead ----yawn speedway is way more exciting , new race every 2 mins not one long borefest Yet F1 manages to attract the crowds while speedway manages to drive them away! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 when i was a kid there was trolleys . now we have gravity racers. speedway is moving on, but not to every ones liking. Ah, the good ol days, racing trolleys in the multi-story car park, had forgotten about that - great times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 you old devil you. next it wil be marbles and bollies,(ball bearings ) and conkers. the 70s and earlies were mega. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Yet F1 manages to attract the crowds while speedway manages to drive them away! only because it has big sponsors and rich and powerful investers when you analyze the racing - compared to speedway its absolute rubbish 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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