Crazy robin Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Constructive criticism is one thing, but all this negativity is way over the top..... When I started work many years ago, this wise man, who taught me so much, said to me, Son! this world is made up of two sorts of people. One, people who only see problems, and two, people who only see results. Now which group do you belong to???? How very true he was............. Funny that because my grandad always taught me to look at the real story & not believe everything is as it seems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 the yellow and black helmet cover is back..... if that doesn't bring thousands back to the sport nothing will.... Whats with the `we listened to the fans so we brought it back?` So when you get a tactical black and white it will be SOO much easier to tell the difference now wont it?! Is that in the statement because if it is I missed it. It is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Whats with the `we listened to the fans so we brought it back?` So when you get a tactical black and white it will be SOO much easier to tell the difference now wont it?! It is. It isn't. It is on the Link sport website however and lists 7 of the grade 1 draft riders. I'm assuming Blackbird is the 8th rider. Auty Birks Roynon Kerr Newman Garrity S.Worrall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Whats with the `we listened to the fans so we brought it back?` So when you get a tactical black and white it will be SOO much easier to tell the difference now wont it?! It is. After a period of confusion between yellow and black and the TR helmet colour, the TR rider will have a yellow flashing light on his helmet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) It isn't. It is on the Link sport website however and lists 7 of the grade 1 draft riders. I'm assuming Blackbird is the 8th rider. Auty Birks Roynon Kerr Newman Garrity S.Worrall Will be much fairer for all teams and better for their progression. Hope Wolves go for Blackbird! Edited November 16, 2014 by superguest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIS002 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Birks already named in Sheffield team so Swindon is a no no. Wolverhampton is my guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Birks already named in Sheffield team so Swindon is a no no. Wolverhampton is my guess Yeah that would rule Birks out of Swindon then! We will have to see how it goes then. Id be happy with Birks at Wolves thou, big makes with Woffy, and a good gater. We will see! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Constructive criticism is one thing, but all this negativity is way over the top..... When I started work many years ago, this wise man, who taught me so much, said to me, Son! this world is made up of two sorts of people. One, people who only see problems, and two, people who only see results. Now which group do you belong to???? How very true he was............. Constructive criticism is one thing, but all this negativity is way over the top..... When I started work many years ago, this wise man, who taught me so much, said to me, Son! this world is made up of two sorts of people. One, people who only see problems, and two, people who only see results. Now which group do you belong to???? How very true he was............. True . You can more or less tell who is going to be on here moaning even before the AGM starts. Certain people think their point of view is the only one worthwhile. Personally I think the one TR rule is a fair compromise between those who hate the TR rule and those who want it. I hate the rule but 1 TR per match is tolerable. Arranging the fixture list to focus on Non-GP weeks seems a good move to get GP riders back . Why would the BSPA statement seem to be trying to encourage more GP riders to return to the EL - and then introduce a 2 x 7+ pointers maximum per team?? It just can't be true, can it??! Last year there were only 14 riders who finished the season on a higher average than 7, and at least two of those have already said they won't be back next year, so it seems to be a measure to ensure the richer teams don't buy up all the top dogs. Conversely I think Lasse Bjerre was the only EL rider to finish on lower than a 5 last year so with most riders roughly in the 5-7.5 bracket there is scope for competitive team building. Realistically, how many GP riders are going to want to come back that are not already here ? Nobody signed more than 2 riders on more than 7 last year anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 It isn't. It is on the Link sport website however and lists 7 of the grade 1 draft riders. I'm assuming Blackbird is the 8th rider. Auty Birks Roynon Kerr Newman Garrity S.Worrall IT IS. *Elite League Fixtures: These will be compiled in a manner sympathetic to those riders competing in the Grand Prix series, with free weeks in the build-up to major meetings. Van Straaten said: “We want the league to be open to anyone in World Speedway who wants to be here, and hopefully this will encourage some to have another think and conclude that Great Britain is not as exhausting as it was. This is in reply to the question you asked Skidder about missing the announcement. If you were referring to the Draft (as you appear to be in your reply) then we must have crossed wires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Have to say my initial reaction is one is a cross between sadness and anger that there is not drastic changes to the sport to see it a more level playing field for all teams,riders and fans. We have heard how a number of established riders have expressed their views on riding 28 or more meetings yet they decide to up the points limit to 34 for the top five (6.80 each) yet there was only 15 riders that finished last season with a 7+ average and 8 of those have questioned about riding here next season. So Kings Lynn can in affect keep Iversen, Bjerre, Schlein and Lambert and still bring in Mikkel Michelsen to make it 34.00 and then still have one of the best reserves in Lewis Kerr !! How can Leicester match that or even Lakeside with Bridger also opting out of next season. He could return however with Beach, King, Watt and LawsonLawson ..... But Beach and Bridger look unlikely so who is there available ? I still don't see how a team with the best reserve rider won't be on a level playing field as we saw with the likes of Newman and Garrity how influential they were on results due to the easier rides. Will sit back and take it in and see if I have it wrong but I think an opportunity has been missed to move forward with drastic changes But at least we have YELLOW / BLACK back which will have them queuing at the turnstiles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 How can Leicester match that or even Lakeside with Bridger also opting out of next season. He could return however with Beach, King, Watt and LawsonLawson ..... But Beach and Bridger look unlikely so who is there available ? AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 See if I have this right There will be 8 Grade 1 draft riders with each tracking getting one each. Josh Auty, Ashley Birks, Adam Roynon, Lewis Kerr, Kyle Newman, Jason Garrity, Steve Worrall and Lewis Blackbird. If as last season tracks got to use their assets first then would that mean Adam Roynon goes to Coventry and Jason Garrity moves on ? If so we have Roynon (Cov), Kerr (KL), Newman (P) and Worrall (BV) leaving Auty, Birks, Garrity and Blackbird to be picked by Lakeside, Leicester, Swindon and Wolves. .... Do the lowest finishers get to pick first so Leicester and Wolves get Garrity and Blackbird, Lakeside get Auty and Swindon get Burks but that would have to swap due to Burks being at Sheffield. Have to say I think Roynon is the weakest and would have thought Paul Starke was more qualified to be in group one while Burks should not have been selected as a draft rider if he has already limited himself to clubs by signing for a PL club already. Would settle for Blackbird and Starke at Wolves but find it hard to see how we could fill 34 points if Tai and Freddie don't return. AJ He expressed an interest in riding if it was less fixtures and before he secured a 2015 GP place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 See if I have this right There will be 8 Grade 1 draft riders with each tracking getting one each. Josh Auty, Ashley Birks, Adam Roynon, Lewis Kerr, Kyle Newman, Jason Garrity, Steve Worrall and Lewis Blackbird. If as last season tracks got to use their assets first then would that mean Adam Roynon goes to Coventry and Jason Garrity moves on ? If so we have Roynon (Cov), Kerr (KL), Newman (P) and Worrall (BV) leaving Auty, Birks, Garrity and Blackbird to be picked by Lakeside, Leicester, Swindon and Wolves. .... Do the lowest finishers get to pick first so Leicester and Wolves get Garrity and Blackbird, Lakeside get Auty and Swindon get Burks but that would have to swap due to Burks being at Sheffield. Have to say I think Roynon is the weakest and would have thought Paul Starke was more qualified to be in group one while Burks should not have been selected as a draft rider if he has already limited himself to clubs by signing for a PL club already. Would settle for Blackbird and Starke at Wolves but find it hard to see how we could fill 34 points if Tai and Freddie don't return. He expressed an interest in riding if it was less fixtures and before he secured a 2015 GP place I think they will but as shown last year with Stefan. There is no guarantee that clubs will pick their own assets (although I hope we keep Sarj from the 2nd group) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clambo71 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 IT IS. *Elite League Fixtures: These will be compiled in a manner sympathetic to those riders competing in the Grand Prix series, with free weeks in the build-up to major meetings. Van Straaten said: “We want the league to be open to anyone in World Speedway who wants to be here, and hopefully this will encourage some to have another think and conclude that Great Britain is not as exhausting as it was. This is in reply to the question you asked Skidder about missing the announcement. If you were referring to the Draft (as you appear to be in your reply) then we must have crossed wires. Sorry Stevebrum I may be losing my marbles but I can't see anything in those two sentences that say each team can only have two 7 plus riders. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 See if I have this right There will be 8 Grade 1 draft riders with each tracking getting one each. Josh Auty, Ashley Birks, Adam Roynon, Lewis Kerr, Kyle Newman, Jason Garrity, Steve Worrall and Lewis Blackbird. If as last season tracks got to use their assets first then would that mean Adam Roynon goes to Coventry and Jason Garrity moves on ? If so we have Roynon (Cov), Kerr (KL), Newman (P) and Worrall (BV) leaving Auty, Birks, Garrity and Blackbird to be picked by Lakeside, Leicester, Swindon and Wolves. .... Do the lowest finishers get to pick first so Leicester and Wolves get Garrity and Blackbird, Lakeside get Auty and Swindon get Burks but that would have to swap due to Burks being at Sheffield. Have to say I think Roynon is the weakest and would have thought Paul Starke was more qualified to be in group one while Burks should not have been selected as a draft rider if he has already limited himself to clubs by signing for a PL club already. Would settle for Blackbird and Starke at Wolves but find it hard to see how we could fill 34 points if Tai and Freddie don't return. He expressed an interest in riding if it was less fixtures and before he secured a 2015 GP place One would assume the FTR group 1 would contain more than 8 riders. probably 10/12 would be better. No doubt some of those riders won't want to do FTR full time but be prepared to fill in when someone is injured, probably they would prefer to ride in the 1 to 5. I think it's up to the riders and clubs to sort out who wants to ride rather than them being allocated to places. At least that way the riders and clubs would be happier...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 One would assume the FTR group 1 would contain more than 8 riders. probably 10/12 would be better. No doubt some of those riders won't want to do FTR full time but be prepared to fill in when someone is injured, probably they would prefer to ride in the 1 to 5. I think it's up to the riders and clubs to sort out who wants to ride rather than them being allocated to places. At least that way the riders and clubs would be happier...... There will be 10 riders per group. The 2 that don't get picked will be able to guest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) IT IS. *Elite League Fixtures: These will be compiled in a manner sympathetic to those riders competing in the Grand Prix series, with free weeks in the build-up to major meetings. Van Straaten said: We want the league to be open to anyone in World Speedway who wants to be here, and hopefully this will encourage some to have another think and conclude that Great Britain is not as exhausting as it was. This is in reply to the question you asked Skidder about missing the announcement. If you were referring to the Draft (as you appear to be in your reply) then we must have crossed wires. I meant only 2 riders over 7 rule. Rory has tweeted that he can't ride PL as his average is over 6. Is it a new rule? It would rule out Cook and King doubling up. Edited November 17, 2014 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nellie Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I meant only 2 riders over 7 rule. Rory has tweeted that he can't ride PL as his average is over 6. Is it a new rule? It would rule out Cook and King doubling up. Cook and King both have current PL averages, so I would guess they'll be alright to continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Cook and King both have current PL averages, so I would guess they'll be alright to continue. Yes that does seem to be the case. Schlein and Watt not happy about it, tough I say we want less d/u's not more in the EL. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Revising the FTR riders should mean the standard of riders at 6 and 7 will be improved and i can only see this benefiting the product, however the issue false averages was not addressed and will lead to potentially some very unbalanced team strengths. The one tactical ride thing i can live with, it will make team managers have to think a bit to rather than just throwing it in for the sake of it. Biggest concern is the guest situation which was totally out of control last season, if they can use this "category 1" list to include some riders outside the EL who want maybe the odd extra booking then it will be slightly better but ultimately its going to need very good fixture planning so the need for a guest is not required in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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