More Tinkering At The Agm

[arnieg]

Thanks. So if I have got this right then the sequence is first we have yellow and black covers to avoid confusion between yellow helmets and white, then white becomes green at the request of Sky (and then a year or two later) so yellow and black becomes plain yellow as there is no confusion between green and yellow. Then ha few years later we get rid of green and go back to white to please the traditionalists which in turn leads to some fans confusing white with yellow under the lights. Is that it? If so at least we see why the change back to y&b.

 

That presumably explains why I have seen riders on the continent in Y&B as they presumably never had the change to green? At least we seem to have got therein the end.

but I think TNT has moved the topic on to the crucial issue - I vote for lime green with pink spots

[T.N.T.]

It is weird that Greyhound racing has six in each race and have never had to change the colours while speedway can't decide on just four colours

[SteveLyric2]

It is weird that Greyhound racing has six in each race and have never had to change the colours while speedway can't decide on just four colours

Maybe its easier for referees to recognise the riders/jockeys?!!!

[pandorum]

Errr ... from looking at the present! EL solely on Mon, Weds & Thurs would make it easier for continental riders & ensure no clashes for D/U riders riding in the PL on Fri, Sat, Sun. Fewer fixture clashes would give better rider availability, more foreign stars & fewer r/r & guests.

What utter nonsense you have written. So have these continental stars just started riding on Sundays and Tuesdays?

By looking at the past you would realise what total tripe you are talking.

Most tracks cannot ride when they like. We know this from the Past.

We know from the Past Britain cannot do what Sweden and Poland do.

Tracks need to fulfil a certain number of meetings for their landlords and only have certain days to do that.

Very few speedway tracks control their own destiny.

 

Rider availability? Have you not been paying attention to the past recently.

Riders dumped Britain for leagues that pay more not because the race night did not suit them.

Greg Hancock rode here when he lost his Polish job not because he liked the race night.

The stars will ride here when everything suits their schedule and they get paid a lot.

 

How are you going to pay for these stars? Maybe a couple of teams could afford them but the rest?

These guys are not going to fill stadiums whatever night you have.

 

You prove your stupidity by accusing my post of advocating Utopia but then go for that yourself with your couple of lines of complete drivel about accommodating Continental riders..

 

We do indeed need to get the race night right but for the UK that should be having both leagues (obviously the EL would be no more )on Friday and Saturday night speedway again for those who can use the weekends which would be

attractive to people.

Which means we need to forget the foreign stars and go with our own and those imports who commit to UK racing. And there are more of them than the fly by nights that use the UK to test bikes and allow them to get some race time in before they race in the important

leagues.

We will never get back to the days when the UK was the best in the world but to argue we should not look to that era for guidance and ideas is the rambling of an idiot.

 

Your Utopia with teams racing on Mondays or whatever every other week and the top riders pouring back into the UK is complete tosh and will NEVER happen here.

Speedway here cannot afford the top guys anymore as it is on it's knees and losing customers at a rate that will soon become

untenable.

 

It needs to become insular and start to invest in riders here rather than give Greg Hancock or Tai Woffinden what they want and end up bankrupt.

Edited November 18, 2014 by pandorum

[Agrotron]

I think the AGM was a success and I am going to ask if I can attend next year.

 

Just texting Matt now.

[A ORLOV]

I think the AGM was a success and I am going to ask if I can attend next year.

 

Just texting Matt now.

If you offer to supply the booze you will have a good chance of getting an invite.

[theknow 2]

Have Poole not weakened with the lower points limits over the years. Yet you say Poole still get good crowds so weaker teams do still work in Poole.The only difference is that Poole can pay the most money to have the pick of the riders that fit the new points limit.While im posting can you tell me what other motorsport is a team sport ?.Plus the poor teams with poor promoters that have gone must be Birmingham who finished top of the league in 2013 with a team that broke the bank and the fans did not turn out in there numbers which forced them to field a weaker team this year which led to them going bust and Eastbourne who are the only elite team that did not lose a home match this year yet the fans still stayed away.

Poole have always had a good crowd and still do today due to the fact Matt does promote, build a good team to any points limit and most of all have a very loyal fan and sponsor base. However crowds are down around 30 % to say 2003 when they had a great team but are still the best in the country.

 

Riders want to come to Poole as they are looked after and most importantly paid !!!! Add a good staduim, fans and sponsors and you can see why.

 

Team sport, F1, Motorcross, Moto GP, WSB, WRC, Nascar, Dakar, the list is endless.

 

Birmingham seemed to annoy all the fans who then didnt turn up and eastbourne had a very boring team and no proper promotion.

 

We seem to be at opposite ends, i see the way forward to be more high risk rather than the same old same old.

 

If it stays as it is with a poor product and yearly increases to attend where will it end ????

[magnificentseven]

 

Birmingham seemed to annoy all the fans who then didnt turn up and eastbourne had a very boring team and no proper promotion.

 

 

I'd have to disagree with your point about Eastbourne.

 

The promotion are one of the few who did try to actually promote their track locally and regularly had special offers connected with the local press.

 

They always set their team up to be good at home as their fan base seems only to want to watch the team at home.

 

The home crowds have always been quite reasonable when I have visited the track but the spiralling costs of EL speedway has taken its toll eventually.

 

Wolfie

[SteveLyric2]

I think the AGM was a success and I am going to ask if I can attend next year.

 

Just texting Matt now.

Please let us all know what he says!!

[B.V 72]

Poole have always had a good crowd and still do today due to the fact Matt does promote, build a good team to any points limit and most of all have a very loyal fan and sponsor base. However crowds are down around 30 % to say 2003 when they had a great team but are still the best in the country.

 

Riders want to come to Poole as they are looked after and most importantly paid !!!! Add a good staduim, fans and sponsors and you can see why.

 

Team sport, F1, Motorcross, Moto GP, WSB, WRC, Nascar, Dakar, the list is endless.

 

Birmingham seemed to annoy all the fans who then didnt turn up and eastbourne had a very boring team and no proper promotion.

 

We seem to be at opposite ends, i see the way forward to be more high risk rather than the same old same old.

 

If it stays as it is with a poor product and yearly increases to attend where will it end ????

You need to get the selfish Poole mentality out of your head and smell the roses.Poole might have the money to pay the top riders but most of the other teams do not.

How much evidence do you need.

Birmingham pay top money to put out a team that finished top of the league the fans still did not turn out and they went bust.

Eastbourne always put out a team that wins at home and more often than not finished in the top end of the table to keep the fans happy but did they turn out in numbers no they did not.Now they have lost that much money they cant afford to compete in the Premier league let alone the Elite league.

Peterborough always tried to put out a strong team every year and had one of the best asset lists in the Elite league did this make the fans turn out in numbers no it did not. The promoter lost that much money he ended up throwing the towel in and walking away.

Coventry can not afford the best riders they once could now that sugar daddy Sandu has gone but because of the lower limits, draft system etc can still manage to put out a competative team.Because under this system all teams have finances to compete with all the other teams in the league.

Your way and Pooles way seems to be sod the rest lets have a high points limit we can afford the top riders we will be ok and we will walk the league.All the other teams will break the bank trying to compete and how many of them will end up the same way as 3 of the teams mentioned above. Then who are Poole going to race against.

The above motorsport teams you mention above riders,drivers just ride for the same make of bike or car you cannot call them team sports where all the riders,drivers scores add together to decide who has won the meeting.One person wins the race.

[theknow 2]

You need to get the selfish Poole mentality out of your head and smell the roses.Poole might have the money to pay the top riders but most of the other teams do not.

How much evidence do you need.

Birmingham pay top money to put out a team that finished top of the league the fans still did not turn out and they went bust.

Eastbourne always put out a team that wins at home and more often than not finished in the top end of the table to keep the fans happy but did they turn out in numbers no they did not.Now they have lost that much money they cant afford to compete in the Premier league let alone the Elite league.

Peterborough always tried to put out a strong team every year and had one of the best asset lists in the Elite league did this make the fans turn out in numbers no it did not. The promoter lost that much money he ended up throwing the towel in and walking away.

Coventry can not afford the best riders they once could now that sugar daddy Sandu has gone but because of the lower limits, draft system etc can still manage to put out a competative team.Because under this system all teams have finances to compete with all the other teams in the league.

Your way and Pooles way seems to be sod the rest lets have a high points limit we can afford the top riders we will be ok and we will walk the league.All the other teams will break the bank trying to compete and how many of them will end up the same way as 3 of the teams mentioned above. Then who are Poole going to race against.

The above motorsport teams you mention above riders,drivers just ride for the same make of bike or car you cannot call them team sports where all the riders,drivers scores add together to decide who has won the meeting.One person wins the race.

How wrong. Poole promote the product and sport well. The results show and and all the other promotors want to know the secret and even ask at the agm as if its something speacial.

 

The answer is hard work and being able to sell the product to fans and sponsors. Fed up with all the excuses from other clubs and people because they are useless at their job and then moan about it !!!!

[clambo71]

How wrong. Poole promote the product and sport well. The results show and and all the other promotors want to know the secret and even ask at the agm as if its something speacial.

 

The answer is hard work and being able to sell the product to fans and sponsors. Fed up with all the excuses from other clubs and people because they are useless at their job and then moan about it !!!!

No Poole are in the envious position of not having to compete with any other major sports

 

in the area.Take the west midlands,speedway has to compete with Aston Villa, Birmingham City, West Bromwich Albion

 

Wolverhampton plus other smaller clubs and that's only in spring and autumn during the summer

 

its Warwickshire and Worcestershire county cricket. You don't really have to promote,the punters come

 

because there is no other top class sport around.

[orion]

You need to get the selfish Poole mentality out of your head and smell the roses.Poole might have the money to pay the top riders but most of the other teams do not.

How much evidence do you need.

Birmingham pay top money to put out a team that finished top of the league the fans still did not turn out and they went bust.

Eastbourne always put out a team that wins at home and more often than not finished in the top end of the table to keep the fans happy but did they turn out in numbers no they did not.Now they have lost that much money they cant afford to compete in the Premier league let alone the Elite league.

Peterborough always tried to put out a strong team every year and had one of the best asset lists in the Elite league did this make the fans turn out in numbers no it did not. The promoter lost that much money he ended up throwing the towel in and walking away.

Coventry can not afford the best riders they once could now that sugar daddy Sandu has gone but because of the lower limits, draft system etc can still manage to put out a competative team.Because under this system all teams have finances to compete with all the other teams in the league.

Your way and Pooles way seems to be sod the rest lets have a high points limit we can afford the top riders we will be ok and we will walk the league.All the other teams will break the bank trying to compete and how many of them will end up the same way as 3 of the teams mentioned above. Then who are Poole going to race against.

The above motorsport teams you mention above riders,drivers just ride for the same make of bike or car you cannot call them team sports where all the riders,drivers scores add together to decide who has won the meeting.One person wins the race.

Not really true nearly all teams who fall tend to run badly that be at El and PL level ...What with this team Brum paid top money for by the way ? Auty ,King,Doyle ,Barker Convati etc .

[Sherborne Green]

I just do not understand what some people expect. Any owner of any team will set up their team with the best riders/players they can within their budget.

 

They look at it like any business. What have I got to pay out to get the best return. What will attract the most people to want to pay to see my product.

 

This happens in all walks of life and sports. Some companies are more successful than others. Does this mean that an owner of a company says my competitors are not producing quite so good a product than mine so I better make mine not so good.

 

I see that another point put forward is that other places have more competition from other sports. They have a far bigger population to get their crowds from as well. Dorset, Hampshire and the South West in general have far fewer people than most of the country.

 

Manchester have arguably two of the best attended football clubs plus a lot more but look at the numbers that live there.

 

Although I am not a supporter of these teams I think that both Southampton ( at present 2nd in the premier league) and AFC Bournemouth ( 2nd in the championship at the moment) attract very good crowds.

 

Let's not build to the lowest denominator but strive to build to the top.

[heathen chemistry]

poole have got a bigger budget than others

 

success brings in the fans add to that exciting racers like holder/ward and its easy to see why they get decent crowds

 

but.....im sure if they didnt have the exciting riders / and they were losing many home matches then the attendances would start to drop like a stone

and thats fords job --- to keep being a successfull team ---- to keep the fans coming --- simple really

 

i dont think his promoting skills are any better than the majority of other promoters

ive seen promoters do tons more than what he has done ,,, but like i said success breeds success = fans

[Woz01]

No Poole are in the envious position of not having to compete with any other major sports

 

in the area.Take the west midlands,speedway has to compete with Aston Villa, Birmingham City, West Bromwich Albion

 

Wolverhampton plus other smaller clubs and that's only in spring and autumn during the summer

 

its Warwickshire and Worcestershire county cricket. You don't really have to promote,the punters come

 

because there is no other top class sport around.

Coventry has football now 2 rugby union teams a newly professional Rugby League club and a Ice Hockey side on top of 2 speedway teams. Coventry is more jam packed for sport than most other cities. I've probably missed something else to be honest. Edited November 18, 2014 by woz01

[Leicester Hunter]

No Poole are in the envious position of not having to compete with any other major sports

 

in the area.

True, but it still has to be promoted properly to be a success.

 

You don't really have to promote,the punters come

 

because there is no other top class sport around.

Of course you do. Even if you're running the only show sportwise in town, people aren't going to turn up if they don't know you're there.

 

There we have speedway's current problem in a nutshell. Too many promoters have taken that attitude over the years, and look where it's got the sport. They just open the gates and hope people will flood in. Well, it's just not happening anymore. Effective promoting is where it all starts. Without that, you really have nothing at all.

[FranktonBee]

Coventry has football now 2 rugby union teams a newly professional Rugby League club and a Ice Hockey side on top of 2 speedway teams. Coventry is more jam packed for sport than most other cities. I've probably missed something else to be honest.

Don't forget the Jets, Warren!

[weatherwatcher]

No matter how many top stars are in a team or races that are run with two teams of 7 top riders per team. Unless the general public are let know about what is going on at their local speedway stadium all you will still get there to watch the mings are those that already attend speedway.

The promoters and the BPSA need to get the word out on the street, either through the papers or the TV or posters at every available space that they can put them to let people know that speedway is still a sport in Britain.

They just seem to sit back and hope that people are going to turn up, if no one knows that what ever stadium in this country is having a meeting, with no local advertising how can they expect to get more people along to see the product.

7 top riders don't make the night, it is the way that they sell the product and nowadys I am afraid that there is just no selling of the sport.

[Trees]

Why not put out a poster every week via Facebook and twitter with all EL fixtures that we can share and like I suggested on another thread a promotional video?

Edited November 18, 2014 by Trees