New Science Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 I've asked this question before what as the F.I.M ever done for speedway ? I'll now ask the question what has the All Party Parliamentary Group ever done for speedway ! Yes we know they can put on a few sandwiches at Westminster and give 150 speedway bosses the chance to hob knob with MP's we have never heard of but what exactly have this group done in there time in existence ? Now they are giving out meaningless awards to further increase the mutual backslapping. Tai Woffinden being given the outstanding achievement award ! Obviously they decided to overlook his Elite league form which was nothing short of shocking,which statistically made him the Elite Leagues biggest under achiever. I will stand corrected if this Party has achieved major things I've not heard of but seeing the pictures and the report in the Speedway Star it looks nothing more than than a self appreciating jolly boys club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondbudd Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Decent enough post and some good points raised.I suspect that MPs have been in the background regarding the Belle Vue funding/planning. Not necessarily directly involved but possibly helping remove obstacles with city councils etc.I've had some involvement with my local MP who even took the particular issue directly to the cabinet minister. Neither of them could formally get involved, but it made the world of difference and things started mysteriously moving in the right direction. Edited November 20, 2014 by raymondbudd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Boy Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 If you have to ask the question then you don't know how power is wielded in this country! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Not sure what this all party group would make of the asset/ transfer system though. Because let's face it, in light of Bosman it's illegal. It's not, because Bosman only dealt with international transfers, and speedway doesn't have any restrictions on riders signing for teams outside of Britain. AFAIK, there's never been a ruling on internal UK transfers, although learned opinion appears to suggest it wouldn't stand up if ever challenged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Buck Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Both Khalid Mahmood (Perry Barr) and Roger Godsiff (Small Heath) were useful allies during Birmingham's fight to get a planning consent, and Khalid was especially helpful in standing up to the University and shooting down their fanciful objections as well as intervening on our side with Birmingham City Council Officers whom I have found from long experience, really resent an MP involving himself in their affairs. Looking ahead though, I think one major need is for the Parliamentary Group to come up with some kind of noise level requirements which can be universally accepted in all parts of the country. At present, an acceptable level in say Manchester, isn't always acceptable elsewhere - different Councils can and do decide for themselves what they will or won't accept. As an example, Belle Vue have had no difficulty in getting a planning consent for their new stadium even though the site is practically surrounded by houses, yet Cradley Heath couldn't get even a modicum of support from Dudley Council for the Oldnall Road site where you could only see the distant roofs of the nearest houses. This is cardinally unfair. Prospective Speedway Promotors should know exactly what the maximum noise level has to be.That way, there could be no argument over planning. If they can't comply with a universally agreed maximum - then they don't get approval. If they do, then they get it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Both Khalid Mahmood (Perry Barr) and Roger Godsiff (Small Heath) were useful allies during Birmingham's fight to get a planning consent, and Khalid was especially helpful in standing up to the University and shooting down their fanciful objections as well as intervening on our side with Birmingham City Council Officers whom I have found from long experience, really resent an MP involving himself in their affairs. Looking ahead though, I think one major need is for the Parliamentary Group to come up with some kind of noise level requirements which can be universally accepted in all parts of the country. At present, an acceptable level in say Manchester, isn't always acceptable elsewhere - different Councils can and do decide for themselves what they will or won't accept. As an example, Belle Vue have had no difficulty in getting a planning consent for their new stadium even though the site is practically surrounded by houses, yet Cradley Heath couldn't get even a modicum of support from Dudley Council for the Oldnall Road site where you could only see the distant roofs of the nearest houses. This is cardinally unfair. Prospective Speedway Promotors should know exactly what the maximum noise level has to be.That way, there could be no argument over planning. If they can't comply with a universally agreed maximum - then they don't get approval. If they do, then they get it. Quite agree Brian. There should be national guidelines that all Planning Officers have to adhere to. It applies in all other issues so why can't they be consistent. Yes, there will be special circumstances appertaining only in certain circumstances, but the basis rules regarding noise,etc, should not be at the permission/interpretation of a Planning Officer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 It seems that a number of Council officers have latched onto the noise measurement from the Mildenhall Stadium court case, I believe it is 55dB but not sure of the other parameters, their reasoning the court case has set a legal precedent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Ive often wondered about this group when riders have been refused entry due to problems with their visas, surely this is another area where some influence could be wielded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Ive often wondered about this group when riders have been refused entry due to problems with their visas, surely this is another area where some influence could be wielded? Influence yes, but even MPs have to stick to the laws of the land. they can lobby for them to be changed but thats unlikely to be quick enough for speedway riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Ive often wondered about this group when riders have been refused entry due to problems with their visas, surely this is another area where some influence could be wielded? I'm sure I read somewhere that MPs from the group had been advising about the work permit issues? Also as there seem to be 3 Coventry MPs in the group, i would hope that they would be working with the Coventry fans to save Coventry stadium and help block any planning permission applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 One of the MPs involved was very instrumental in the Swindon development at Blunsdon which we hope has safeguarded the building of the new Stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondbudd Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 On the issue of noise, the planners are probably correct in using the Mildenhall case as a point of reference. Any decision taken has to be with the view that it can withstand a challenge at the next level up. In these cases its firstly the Planning Inspectorate and then the Appeal Court. In each circumstance taking into consideration local planning policy, previous Inspectorate cases and case law. On the issue of the All Parlimentary group, I do agree that there maybe an element of self congratulation involved. Because lets face it, Speedway really is a minority sport in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellevueace Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 How very ironic that Aussie speedway riders are denied entry when you see the hoards that come swarming in with the sole intention of taking out from a system that they have not put one cent into, its highlights everything that's wrong with the system. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 How very ironic that Aussie speedway riders are denied entry when you see the hoards that come swarming in with the sole intention of taking out from a system that they have not put one cent into, its highlights everything that's wrong with the system. VERY well put Sir. :approve: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsmithsmooth Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 http://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/apg/ 'Parliamentary Groups, which are informal cross-party groups that have no official status within Parliament.' All Party Parliamentary Groups are simply 'special interest' talking and back slapping shops, unless there's loads of dosh involved!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 http://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/apg/ 'Parliamentary Groups, which are informal cross-party groups that have no official status within Parliament.' All Party Parliamentary Groups are simply 'special interest' talking and back slapping shops, unless there's loads of dosh involved!!! A case of "...can you pass the salmon sandwiches please..." - or are the groups effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) http://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/apg/ 'Parliamentary Groups, which are informal cross-party groups that have no official status within Parliament.' All Party Parliamentary Groups are simply 'special interest' talking and back slapping shops, unless there's loads of dosh involved!!! That's a rather cynical viewpoint. If not for the intervention of the local MP, I'm sure they would already be houses in the place of Oxford Stadium. All the best Rob Edited November 21, 2014 by lucifer sam 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Parliamentary Group - seemingly still active in its support of speedway! Ahem! http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.29773 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Parliamentary Group - seemingly still active in its support of speedway! Ahem! http://www.speedwaygb.co/news.php?extend.29773 I'm sure these 3 are seen as the future for all young speedway riders!!!!!?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 That's a rather cynical viewpoint. If not for the intervention of the local MP, I'm sure they would already be houses in the place of Oxford Stadium. All the best Rob Quite right. I know the current Father of the House Gerald Kaufman has been a big supporter of Belle Vue, which is in his constituency, both in the battle for survival after Hyde Road and in the planning of the new national stadium. And Coventry need their local politicians more than ever to stop Brandon falling and being replaced by houses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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