Rob B Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 There wouldn't have been enough wednesdays to accommodate both Birmingham and Cradley if The Heathens went PL nothing to do with "Terms" set by Mole or anyone else! Planning conditions are quite strict at PB and that means only one speedway meeting per week. Good news about both teams running, but running on alternative weeks is going to be a pain, if a meeting gets rained off that team won't race for 4 weeks and then rearranging it will be tough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 It is great news to see both clubs survive but it is disappointing to to see Cradley remain NL. With the teams they put out I just don't see what they offer to the league winning home and away week in week out. Cradley remaining NL though could be part of the terms set by Mole as Cradley being in a higher league could damage his business. i think with a switch of stadium and moving up 1 or 2 leagues would be too much . give them a year to settle in, see what crowds they get etc they'll step up next year, maybe running 2 sides, who knows? plus looking at the possible line up of the league and possible rule changes over minimum team strenths don't expect the mighty heathens to have it as easy next season, can't wait. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zlata prilba Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 How many teams in National League now ? Birmingham. Cradley, Eastbourne ? Lakeside ? Rye House ? Kings Lynn ? Coventry ? Kent. Stoke. Mildenhall. Buxton. Any more ? Is there going to be enough riders to go round.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 What's the curfew at Brum. I assume its not possible to run a DH. Proper meetings will have to start asap in March and I'm not sure having challenges is a good idea. Most importan thing is to complete league season. Hopefully the NL will ditch play-offs this year too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeoBrummie Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 The curfew is 10pm but there is also a limit on heats which I think is 21? so double headers are out under the present conditions. Maybe the council could exercise some flexibility (and common sense) but don't hold your breath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Given his historic links to both clubs, what about starting the season with a Brummies v Heathens clash for the Dan McCormick Trophy? Very good idea, they could have it over two legs, home and home, just get the riders to use different areas in the pits for each meeting. This arrangement could be very good for both teams when they race on alternate wednesdays as it is possible that Brum fans may also go to watch the Cradley meetings and vice versa. The management could also offer a joint season ticket. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 This is the best news I have heard for a long time in speedway. Not just one club saved from being just a memory but two. Best of luck to both teams for not just next season but also the years that follow, and long may they reign. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Is there going to be enough riders to go round.... There are plenty of riders about, just don't expect any Cradley-style teams! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 (edited) Is there going to be enough riders to go round.... There's plenty of riders knocking on the door for a NL place. With 11 teams, I think the max limit needs to be around 33-35, the min limit needs to be around 28-30, and it should be three 3.00 riders per side. All the best Rob Edited November 16, 2014 by lucifer sam 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Great news, hopefully they can recieve the support needed to survive and prosper. While i know its a development league do some rules need to be changed to allow some top end riders back into the league or some new riders to come in , the stand alone clubs need to put out a decent product to attract and rettain supporters, Just putting it out there for debate, the top riders still mainly race each other while the reserves still have races against each other maybe like last years EL. Chopper I don't think they do to be honest Chopper, if the points limit goes down allowing more young riders to come through the standalone sides will still be able to try and build winning sides within this points limit. The way I see it is that the more old hands allowed in the league the bigger the gulf will become between the top sides and the bottom sides and the league will then be less competitive as a result. Fantastic news that the two clubs have been saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vog Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 There's plenty of riders knocking on the door for a NL place. With 11 teams, I think the max limit needs to be around 33-35, the min limit needs to be around 28-30, and it should be three 3.00 riders per side. All the best Rob The only thing I would say is that 3 x 3 pointers wouldn't be a good idea. There are a few riders around the 3.5 mark, and this would leave them as a number 4 in teams, or would force them out. Better to say 3 riders under 4? Going off last years averages, the riders who would be affected would be: Tom Woolley (3.47) Reece Downes (3.50) Danno Verge (3.36) Rob Shuttleworth (3.75) Adam Kirby (3.68) Luke Harris (3.17) It's hardly a huge list, but I think if you said 3 x 3 pointers, none of these would have a club, and that would be a damn shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 Vog, not a bad idea - yes three under 4.00 would make sense. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chopper Posted November 16, 2014 Report Share Posted November 16, 2014 I don't think they do to be honest Chopper, if the points limit goes down allowing more young riders to come through the standalone sides will still be able to try and build winning sides within this points limit. The way I see it is that the more old hands allowed in the league the bigger the gulf will become between the top sides and the bottom sides and the league will then be less competitive as a result. Fantastic news that the two clubs have been saved. I was more talking about some of the riders that were stopped this year because of PL averages , I know Adam Ellis was one , if you look back to 2010 when the league was a strong comp there was a good mix of new youngsters , one over 35 I think and some experienced riders , and the meetings that I watched were first class. Chopper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 (edited) Guys there is NO need to have a limit on 3 pointers, reducing the overall Team limit to 36 will in itself DO this, work it out for yourself, as an example i use my own Team. and Devon, Buxton for examples. Cradley Heath. Max Clegg 8.58 Tom Perry 8.21 Nathan Greaves 7.12 Mike Neale 3.00 AN Other 3.00 AN Other 3.00 AN Other 3.00 Total 35.91 Buxtons Final 2014 1 Liam Carr 8.00 2 Tony Atkin 7.54 3 Adam Extance 4.85 4 Ryan Blacklock 4.16 5 Tom Woolley 3.47 6 Stefan Farnaby 3.00 7 Sean Phillips 3.00 Total 34.02 or Devon as an example Tim Webster 8.74 James Shanes 6.40 Matt Bates 6.00 Richard Andrews 4.24 AN Other 4.20 Tyler Govier 3.00 AN Other 3.00 Total 35.58 As you can see they all have whats described as 3 pointers to varying degrees to come within the 36 point limit. Would Cradleys top Trio beat Devons all round strength ?. Edited November 17, 2014 by greyhoundp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Greyhoundp, Nice work - looking at those teams, a mamimum points limit of 36 would go a long way to doing the required job. I'd still like to see two 3.00 men per team, as it stops one team splashing the clash and grabbing all the talented riders around the 3.30-4.00 mark. And a minimum points limit of 30? As I've said before, both Cradley and Scunthorpe were built legally within the team building strengths for 2014. But those strenghts had to be looked at for 2015 to avoid the same disparaties happening again. With at least three new teams in 2015, this is now even more important. Cradley will still end up putting together an attractive side whatever the limit. But I think their fans, as well as everyone else, would prefer a lower limit ensuring a more competitive league. All the best Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I was more talking about some of the riders that were stopped this year because of PL averages , I know Adam Ellis was one , if you look back to 2010 when the league was a strong comp there was a good mix of new youngsters , one over 35 I think and some experienced riders , and the meetings that I watched were first class. Chopper I agree with you on this definitely. The riders who raced in the FTD seemed to benefit from having more meetings, so why not let riders such as Ellis race NL too? As long as there is an age or experience cap on these lads racing in the NL then I can see no problem with that. A lower points limit would stop all these top end riders ending up at a few clubs and hopefully they'd be evenly spread out and doing their NL racing for experience more than for earning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 The disparaty was caused by Worrall being on a false average due to a poor season in 2013 after breaking his leg. Had he ridden to his potential in 2013 he wouldn't have been eligable for NL. Similar situation to Adam Roynon. Maybe averages need to be looked at. Another example was 2013 Lambert (Simon) Who's PL ave put him in the no double up bracket but it went down in 2013 there making him eligable to DU in 2014 You will always get these anomilies if you are going to go on previous seasons form Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Looking forward to the season now . Should get some away trips in to stoke cradley coventry and Buxton all fairly close ... I will also be going to as many cradley meetings possible should get lots of speedway in next year make up for the last 4 months Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin_t Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Guys there is NO need to have a limit on 3 pointers, reducing the overall Team limit to 36 will in itself DO this, work it out for yourself, as an example i use my own Team. and Devon, Buxton for examples. Cradley Heath. Max Clegg 8.58 Tom Perry 8.21 Nathan Greaves 7.12 Mike Neale 3.00 AN Other 3.00 AN Other 3.00 AN Other 3.00 Total 35.91 Buxtons Final 2014 1 Liam Carr 8.00 2 Tony Atkin 7.54 3 Adam Extance 4.85 4 Ryan Blacklock 4.16 5 Tom Woolley 3.47 6 Stefan Farnaby 3.00 7 Sean Phillips 3.00 Total 34.02 or Devon as an example Tim Webster 8.74 James Shanes 6.40 Matt Bates 6.00 Richard Andrews 4.24 AN Other 4.20 Tyler Govier 3.00 AN Other 3.00 Total 35.58 As you can see they all have whats described as 3 pointers to varying degrees to come within the 36 point limit. Would Cradleys top Trio beat Devons all round strength ?. That AN Other is going to be busy.How about 6 man teams.12 heats(four rides each) + Heat 13 bottom two,Heat 14- middle two,Heat 15- top two? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted November 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 That AN Other is going to be busy.How about 6 man teams.12 heats(four rides each) + Heat 13 bottom two,Heat 14- middle two,Heat 15- top two? And deny another 11 youngsters a chance in the NL. Why? The riders are out there: give them a chance. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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