Bagpuss Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Relevance to the thread......eh none The league and race structure has seen lots of riders riding in certain positions drop their averages. Not just cook, wioffinden, Harris etc.....if you want to carry on pretending the elite league is amazing no bother pal. Not really interested to be honest pedantic smart arses on this forum do my head in. It's why folks move away from this forum and onto Facebook, Twitter etc... Surely the race format will help a rider like Cook rather than hinder him? He gets to face and beat riders like Lindgren, AJ, Ward, Holder, Puk etc. The EL had many, many problems but it's s must for any developing Brit trying to be the best he can surely? Would be nice to have a proper discussion about this issue without people getting defensive Edited November 29, 2014 by Gordon Bennett Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 (edited) Would be nice to have a proper discussion about this issue without people getting defensive You're kidding.... Edinburgh fans are the most defensive in speedway, remember the Ryan Fisher threads And Burger gate Edited November 29, 2014 by Arson fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchlad Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Yep but it also seems they and their rides get more slagging Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted November 29, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Relevance to the thread......eh none That's not fair, it actually is relevant to our 2015 team, and therefore relevant to the thread. Comments like that really aren't necessary, all the poster is saying is that, if we don't use Craig next season, then (s)he would love to see Craig ride there. You don't say Coomies comment saying the same thing isn't relevant, is it because it's glasgow? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 That's not fair, it actually is relevant to our 2015 team, and therefore relevant to the thread. Comments like that really aren't necessary, all the poster is saying is that, if we don't use Craig next season, then (s)he would love to see Craig ride there. You don't say Coomies comment saying the same thing isn't relevant, is it because it's glasgow? At last someone from the East with a very unbiased view off thing's i also thought the reply to baba's post was very dis-missive on his opinion that Craig Cook would be welcome at our club if Edinburgh don't re-sign him which i am sure they will it is getting to the stage that regardless what your thoughts are on Cook some posters are only to willing to have a pop even when it is relevant to the discussion. It is nearly getting as bad as the Smugness nearly but not quite. Yep but it also seems they and their rides get more slagging Poor wee soul how dare they . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 29, 2014 Report Share Posted November 29, 2014 Personally I don't see any value of riding in the elite league these days. It's not that much better than the premier. The fast track reserves and the lack of top line guys in the top league. Riding in sweden or Poland would be the key issues. They would allow him to ride on new tracks against top line opposition. Until the elite league in the uk gets its house in order in terms of structure, regular fixtures and the return of top line riders then it's no wonder there is no clear pathway for guys like Craig So as you just pointed out, Justin Sedgemen rode 3 heat with Craig Cook in the PL. Yet last year he rode 2 heats a meeting with Zagar and 2 with Nicholls. Yet there very little in it? So you're suggesting there very little between Zagar/Nicholls and Justin Sedgemen? Thats without looking into which opposing riders he rode against. Pull the other one. If there was nothing in it, why was his EL average only 6.2? Yet he managed 9.2 in the PL? That suggests Cookie found the EL 33% harder. And until any rider is averaging 12, I'd suggest he has something to learn from the league. Yes Poland and Sweden are places' he'll learn more but he'll learn more chasing down the likes of Iversen, Andersen, Janowski, Harris, AJ and Lindgren in the EL that'll he'll learn riding within him ahead of the likes of Wilknson, Franc, Lanham, Wilson, Graversen and Boxall. I guess it depends what he wants, nice comfortable living or to see how good he can really be. All I know is that as a speedway fan it frustrate me to see him seemingly happy to make a comfortable living rather than seeing how good he could be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Why do Edinburgh fans get defensive over Cook? Every club at Premier level would love him in their team Nobody is saying that he shouldnt ride for Edinburgh. If he is comfortable making an easy living thats his choice he can settle for that. However when he retires he may look back and think ' what if ' He does show a lack of ambition but my god some fans get defensive when you say that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted November 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Max Clegg signs for Edinburgh, good signing if he can keep up his recent improvement in gating! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Excellent news, riders like Clegg, Greaves etc need to be in the PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Interesting. The other reserve needs to be a strong one then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Personally, I hope Cook stays in the PL, without him Berwick fans will have less to moan about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Interesting. The other reserve needs to be a strong one then. or you keep Fox and a really strong top end.Cook Masters Sedgman Tabaka plus1 Fox Clegg What does that leave for the plus1? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted November 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) or you keep Fox and a really strong top end. Cook Masters Sedgman Tabaka plus1 Fox Clegg What does that leave for the plus1? 5.59. Which could give us a good team again. (Although I'd swap Joszef for Kev Wolbert and leave 5.40) However, I agree with TS, despite us proving you can win things with a low scoring reserve pairing, I would rather have a stronger reserve. Edited November 30, 2014 by MonarchsMitchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 There is a rumour that Fox might not be coming back next year. If he did come, it would be a bit of a risk at reserve - he wasn't great away from home. Also not sure that Joe T would be risked. Still a way to go to get his form back after his bad injury. Haven't worked it out properly but I think there would be 5+ remaining after your your selection. Would you prefer to face the Ippo team as announced/suggested or the Monarchs one you are suggesting????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Possibly the most important part of the Witches line up is yet to be announced so no comment! From the top 5 Id say it would quite similar Cook/King Masters/Tungate Sedgman/Manzares Tabaka/Heeps Plus1/Hawkins The 3 point No7s could cancel each other out so its down to whether our new guy would be beeter than Fox. Worth watching Id say. Could go either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc1874 Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 (edited) I know gazc but sometimes when people go fishing....they get a bite. B.t.w I wasnt fishing although ive got a huge rod....big tackle....lol but I leave the big whoppers to mc1874. I havent been on chatzone for ages cant get past the em.tv archives some cracking races on there. This whole concept that you think you've got someone to bite...eh not really. You are not worth expending the energy even replying too. Decent tigers fans like Paulco who bring something whitty and intelligent to the table have all the time for. You calling me names on here well simple just reported you to the administrator and that's all I am saying get the personal remarks off Edited November 30, 2014 by mc1874 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 This whole concept that you think you've got someone to bite...eh not really. You are not worth expending the energy even replying too. Decent tigers fans like Paulco who bring something whitty and intelligent to the table have all the time for. You calling me names on here well simple just reported you to the administrator and that's all I am saying get the personal remarks off Was thinking the same myself reported him/her for what may i ask if what i think it is for you get called worse than that in a school playground FFS petty very petty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 im telling my mam!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainAudi Posted November 30, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Possibly the most important part of the Witches line up is yet to be announced so no comment! From the top 5 Id say it would quite similar Cook/King Masters/Tungate Sedgman/Manzares Tabaka/Heeps Plus1/Hawkins The 3 point No7s could cancel each other out so its down to whether our new guy would be beeter than Fox. Worth watching Id say. Could go either way. I agree, and bear in mind this is my personal opinion: Cook > King Masters > Tungate Sedgmen = Manzares Heeps = Tabaka 5.5-odd (example - Anders Thomsen ) = Hawkins Clegg < 3.00-odd (example - Olly Greenwood) Fox < 5.00 (example - Arthur Sissis) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted November 30, 2014 Report Share Posted November 30, 2014 Cleggy is a good lad, and he wont let you down, obviously it will take a little time for him to adjust to the PL, but he is one for the future, and surely thats what a reserve is all about, not a foreigner who will never be better than a 4 pointer, If Fox doesnt come back, you could do a lot worse than signing Novatril, in my opinion a better prospect than Fox and on a par with Manzares, but of course he would start off on a 5 point average. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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