HenryW Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 But you cannot answer the same question, WHY IS A RIDER WHO HAS NEVER RODE IN THIS COUNTRY OR ABROAD A 7 ? Maybe a better question would be why a rider "who has never rode in this country or abroad" would be eligible for a work permit in the first place? The requirements for a tier 2 sportsperson visa state that you must be "...an elite sportsperson or qualified coach recognised by your sport’s governing body as internationally established at the highest level". A 7 point average in the 2nd division doesn't seem like an excessive ask for a rider established at the highest level and that appears to be what the UK Government are now properly enforcing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Maybe a better question would be why a rider "who has never rode in this country or abroad" would be eligible for a work permit in the first place? Are you being serious. So you would exclude all Aussie riders who want to come over here and ride ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Are you being serious. So you would exclude all Aussie riders who want to come over here and ride ? I certainly didn't say that. However, any rider who requires a work permit to race in this Country has to prove they have a fairly high level of competence by establishing themselves either in their domestic competitions or in other nations before they are allowed a work permit. Quite simply, that is what the Government demand of all sportspeople requiring work permits for this Nation. The standard that was agreed with the Government several years ago equated to a 7 point average in the Premier League and that actually seems fairly generous given the wording of the law. All that is happening just now is that the Government are enforcing this after a few years where the speedway authorities were allowing riders in on lower averages without the explicit approval of the Government to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc1874 Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Sorry but i didn't start it.. But again clearly nick put a question up, and nobody could answer that...So what does that tell you? Whatever the starting point calling someone an idiot etc....really But speedway does itself no favours. If somerset had the average wrong from the start the bspa needed to say straight away sorry wait a minute and not let the issue fester. The bspa in all likelihood knew weeks ago that somerset and Berwick for that matter had interpreted the regulations incorrectly. But said nothing. Not anyone's fault as such. But as a fan for me I'd like to see holder ride in the league. Just saying Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 you try getting into australia without the nec qualification for a WORK permit and see how far you get . you wont even get through the airports exit doors. looks like its payback for putting them there in the first place .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Starman, the man who on the political threas rants, moan and bitching about immigrants now complaining about some immigrants not being given an easy time off things. Oh the irony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 You'd better ask the experts on here... Okay fair enough you say that none us have the right answer, if you know that we are all wrong you must know what is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 21, 2014 Report Share Posted December 21, 2014 Uk border and imigration are poole and somerset haters the bassas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure I've ever come across a debate when one person so entirely misses the point. It's all about the legalities of employment in the UK. Speedway has finally been pulled into the real world. It's why footballers struggle to get work permits if they don't play enough international football, how ever brilliant they may be. It's why American Basketball players can get refused work permits because there recent experience hasn't been in a recognised level of the game, even if they are far superior to the alternative EU player available in the same salary range. The BSPA is totally confused in this area. On one hand they've failed to follow the restrictions related to work permit riders. Yet on the other they've failed to understand that they can set restrictions on the number of non-British riders in a team. European Basketball Leagues limit the number of (non-domestic) EU players. The second tier (equivalent to the Speedway Premier League) of British Ice Hockey restricts the number of non-British players, to the extent that players who have qualified via residency and have participated for GB in the World Championship are counted in the four non-British category. So if the team selected four other EU players, then that GB international is ineligible to play. Holder could be potentially the greatest rider of all time, but its all about meeting the requirements of employment in the UK. The 7 point figure is simply what the BSPA negotiated with the authorities, primarily to ensure the quality of rider arriving in the UK. In Holder's case he firstly has to meet the qualification requirements to be employed in the UK (that may be in doubt anyway), and if he does he's available on a 7. Edited December 22, 2014 by 500cc 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XTC38L Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) It's pretty simple really. All new non en riders are no longer eligible for tie 2 visas and now requires a tier 5 which has stricter conditions and requirements for eligibility. To be eligible for a tier 5 visa the rider needs to place top 4 in their state championship or qualify for their national titles. They will have 2 years to achieve a 7pt Ave or place in the top 4 in their state or qualify for their national championships to qualify for a renewal. It also means that they can no longer double up or guest for another team and if they are dropped mid season they can't be picked up by another team Edited December 22, 2014 by sm00th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Starman.... just give it up, even us Somerset supporters accept it. It has been one big farce. Naturally I don't think it is Somersets' fault.... but we accept the rules. All I ask is that others see it that way seeing as Berwick made the same mistake. Edited December 22, 2014 by Brummie Rebel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I dont think holder has any visa issues its somerset dont want him on a 7pt ave if hes as good as brady surely someone would take him on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I wonder if Len Silver is thinking about replacing one assessed 7 point rider with another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I think teams could do alot worse than holder hes obviously a talent and will have good gear and on many occasions will have his bro with him in the pits he will bring in a few more fans where ever he rides if he still comes over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Ah peace has been restored on the Somerset thread as i see the thickest man on the forum hasnt posted for a while. How do you Somerset fans put up with him? Poole fans are fed up and tell him to shut up as well. Back to the point i hope Holder can still ride here somehow. If he is as good as Brady then 7.0 will be achieveable. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buttons Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I dont think holder has any visa issues its somerset dont want him on a 7pt ave if hes as good as brady surely someone would take him I'm sure someone will he could be a trump card, shame Somerset didn't keep him but someone else would have had to be dropped, not fair on riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 (edited) Yes, but it would seem not all of them listen what they are told. I think the problem is not that Somerset (and Berwick) didn't listen but that they were told two different things (although I'd probably accept that they chose to believe what suited them). Had they been told correctly in the first place, had SCB Regulations been changed and had the change to regulations been made public (instead of the usual ridiculous secrecy)this almost certainly wouldn't have happened. That's not down to Somerset. The BSPA is totally confused in this area. On one hand they've failed to follow the restrictions related to work permit riders. Yet on the other they've failed to understand that they can set restrictions on the number of non-British riders in a team. From what I heard last season, you're dead right. Tends to make you wonder just how clear instruction was given regarding riders averages, doesn't it ? Edited December 22, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 I dont think holder has any visa issues its somerset dont want him on a 7pt ave if hes as good as brady surely someone would take him onhe might struggle if he had to change his visa sponsor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Ah peace has been restored on the Somerset thread as i see the thickest man on the forum hasnt posted for a while. How do you Somerset fans put up with him? Poole fans are fed up and tell him to shut up as well. Back to the point i hope Holder can still ride here somehow. If he is as good as Brady then 7.0 will be achieveable. i will have you know , i do still post on here gavan. oh i see . its not me then. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted December 22, 2014 Report Share Posted December 22, 2014 Looks like you've lost your crown jenga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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