Najjer Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 another interesting FACT on the allen/holder saga is in the 2015 signings section allen has been changed to a 7.00 average but holder remains a 5.00 is there something in that or just not been altered The BSPA site doesn't show any averages next to the riders names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) another interesting FACT on the allen/holder saga is in the 2015 signings section allen has been changed to a 7.00 average but holder remains a 5.00 is there something in that or just not been altered If what I'm hearing for various sources is true there are no "facts" at present. From what I can piece together the BSPA have messed up for years UKV&I (formly UKBA) have told them they are naughty boys a called a meeting for January. Some seem to think this means that the UKV&I are going to say you naughty boys, slapped wrist and go back to the figures we agreed over 10 years ago and don't do it again. Other think they might listen to the BSPA as the approved experts and accept 5 is fair. Yet it's not impossible they could listen to the BSPAs "expert" advise and chose their own set of rules. So until they have the January meeting, nobody knows. I guess thats why Somerset went down this route. If they had signed a team 2 points under the limit they may have struggled to build back up and decided the risk this way was less than the risk of building 2 points lower. Edited December 16, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 there is 1 FACT and that is the 1 ive pointed out regardless if any or both are true or false berwicks riders average has been changed on the listing thats the FACT ive pointed out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 The BSPA site doesn't show any averages next to the riders names. [/quote but this site does and i think that is what scarra is on about. looks lik berwick are doing the right thing by haveing allen on a 7. while somerset are lagging behing and are wearing # the cant see me suit and hope to get away with pleasing ignorance once again.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 The BSPA site doesn't show any averages next to the riders names. [/quote but this site does and i think that is what scarra is on about. looks lik berwick are doing the right thing by haveing allen on a 7. while somerset are lagging behing and are wearing # the cant see me suit and hope to get away with pleasing ignorance once again.. cant blame Somerset for a thread on here not being changed!Its down to the author of the thread to update the OP. Point the finger in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 If what I'm hearing for various sources is true there are no "facts" at present. From what I can piece together the BSPA have messed up for years UKV&I (formly UKBA) have told them they are naughty boys a called a meeting for January. Some seem to think this means that the UKV&I are going to say you naughty boys, slapped wrist and go back to the figures we agreed over 10 years ago and don't do it again. Other think they might listen to the BSPA as the approved experts and accept 5 is fair. Yet it's not impossible they could listen to the BSPAs "expert" advise and chose their own set of rules. So until they have the January meeting, nobody knows. I guess thats why Somerset went down this route. If they had signed a team 2 points under the limit they may have struggled to build back up and decided the risk this way was less than the risk of building 2 points lower. and the BSPA have already had a 4 hour meeting with the UKV&I last month - which apparently got 'quite heated'!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 cant blame Somerset for a thread on here not being changed! Its down to the author of the thread to update the OP. Point the finger in the right direction. not blaming anyone just pointing out 1 sides rider has changed but not the other and interested to know why has 1 team be told something has both teams been told something or is it just people coming to there own conclusion like most neautral fans we are all waiting to see the outcome and it is off interest to all fans as to which way it goes and indeed if its the same for all teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 not blaming anyone just pointing out 1 sides rider has changed but not the other and interested to know why has 1 team be told something has both teams been told something or is it just people coming to there own conclusion like most neautral fans we are all waiting to see the outcome and it is off interest to all fans as to which way it goes and indeed if its the same for all teams I think it is more a case of things being on hold till clarification is sought, and then announced. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 there is 1 FACT and that is the 1 ive pointed out regardless if any or both are true or false berwicks riders average has been changed on the listing thats the FACT ive pointed out If there is to be a meeting to clarify the situation stupid move to pre suppose the result and change your line up imo. You may indeed end up two points under the limit. The smart move would be to do nothing at the moment but have a back up in place if the 7 is ratified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 and the BSPA have already had a 4 hour meeting with the UKV&I last month - which apparently got 'quite heated'!! Have the BSPA paid the Gas bill yet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 If there is to be a meeting to clarify the situation stupid move to pre suppose the result and change your line up imo. You may indeed end up two points under the limit. The smart move would be to do nothing at the moment but have a back up in place if the 7 is ratified.this is where I have concerns. Surely when the BSPA meet with the government authorities they will be confirming a 7 point average will be applied rather than arguing for a continuation at 5.If they do argue for a 5 and it remains it makes the agm decisions and subsequent team plans invalid. It would also open up accusations of murky conspiracys and double dealing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brooksy Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 If there is to be a meeting to clarify the situation stupid move to pre suppose the result and change your line up imo. You may indeed end up two points under the limit. The smart move would be to do nothing at the moment but have a back up in place if the 7 is ratified. I assume you mean 'isn't ratified' Cliffeboy? As I remember the Rebels management got castigated by all and sundry on here last Winter for changing their line-up 2 or 3 times before the season started. Why would they change the team they've declared as long as this uncertainty regarding the Aussie averages continues? As you say, it would be foolish to do anything until an official announcement regarding the legitimacy of their team is made. I'm quite sure they have a contingency plan if needed, but it would seem it isn't just yet! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 this is where I have concerns. Surely when the BSPA meet with the government authorities they will be confirming a 7 point average will be applied rather than arguing for a continuation at 5. If they do argue for a 5 and it remains it makes the agm decisions and subsequent team plans invalid. It would also open up accusations of murky conspiracys and double dealing. So "taps" Somerset are in a no win situation then. If a seven is confirmed we will be charged with cheating by the usual suspects, and if a five is confirmed then we did some sort of dodgy deal with the powers that be. Yet there is a third option which is there was a genuine grey area over this whole sorry episode which to begin with sucked in three teams. The quicker this meeting takes place the quicker we can all move on, I for one am sick to death of this now , so merry Christmas and a happy new year to all who take part on here and follow speedway around the country....... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 So "taps" Somerset are in a no win situation then. If a seven is confirmed we will be charged with cheating by the usual suspects, and if a five is confirmed then we did some sort of dodgy deal with the powers that be. You seemingly can't win mate. If its any consolation, we get it all the time.. But as the saying goes, todays news is tomorrows fish and chip paper. It will soon be forgotten. Unless of course you go on to win the league, with or without Jack, then the red mist will return. Convieniently.. Let it wash over your head mate.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 if it wasnt so obvious i would agree but i cant believe they knew the day before the team was anounced and still went ahead with team anouncement for that reason alone i think they were trying to get away with it maybe hoping the same as last year (if we pretend we didnt know they will back down and let us away with it just like last year) well if edinboro get away with why not others ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Get away with what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) Get away with what? I refer you to your post #438 on the Edinburgh 2015 thread. Edited December 16, 2014 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 well if edinboro get away with why not others ?? Care to explain what we get away with??? as i'm up for a laugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) as i'm up for a laugh Give over Edited December 16, 2014 by Arson fire 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I refer you to your post #438 on the Edinburgh 2015 thread. Hmmm - it's a struggle without the post numbers on my phone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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