ruffdiamond Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Personally, I couldn't give a stuff where my teams riders come from. As long as they're fully committed and are banging the points in. but that bit is'nt usually the case :-( on this whole subject, would it be wrong to suggest that, a proportion of the BSPA think that average speedway fan's are as incompetent as themselves ??? one thing for sure tho,,, 'speedway will run out of eyes, before promoters run out of wool' :-) Edited December 15, 2014 by ruffdiamond 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Still nothing on the speedway gb site about any of this, unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Personally, I couldn't give a stuff where my teams riders come from. As long as they're fully committed and are banging the points in. My point precisely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) Still nothing on the speedway gb site about any of this, unbelievable.You would think al one line statement clarifying the matter would be suffice,one way or the other. Edited December 15, 2014 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Personally, I couldn't give a stuff where my teams riders come from. As long as they're fully committed and are banging the points in. From what I was told all hell broke loose with the UKBA last season precisely because one club replaced an English rider with a foreign one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) From what I was told all hell broke loose with the UKBA last season precisely because one club replaced an English rider with a foreign one. Care to reveal which team and/or riders? Edited December 15, 2014 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 You would think alone line statement clarifying the matter would be suffice,one way or the other. common sense would think it would,,, but in releasing a statement might make them look even stupiderer than they do and might lead to certain people getting the blame,,, because I'm sure some fan's would want to know, 'who and why',,, and have them 'tarred and feathered', a would :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Somebody raised the point, perhaps on another thread, that the 7.00 which newcomers had to aspire to in the past included their bonus points. Now these are no longer included in a rider's CMA, it is simply ridiculous to demand a young rider has to achieve the same figure. Back in the 80s and early 90s work permit riders (and don't forget the EU was not as big back then so that included many countrys including Poland and the Cz Rep) had to get 6 point averages in the British (Elite) League. Things change. But I do accept there may be some argument for work permit riders not to have to get 7, but a drop to 5 is massive - an excessive bonus point scorer scores 1 a meeting, most score 1 every 2 or 3 meetings - so 6.5 should be do-able. From what I was told all hell broke loose with the UKBA last season precisely because one club replaced an English rider with a foreign one. TBF, all work permits are only meant to be handed out if a Brit (or EU) worker of the same level cannot be found. Anyone remember the year Eastbourne signed Krys Cegeilski and days before the season started he was dropped for Mark Loram who was without a team that season. Apparently, UKBA said it was barmy that the British World Champion of 12 months previous didn't have a job while Aussies and Poles who needed work permits did have team places. It gets awkward in speedway as if you only have 8.00 left but a Brit is 8.01 and the Aussie is 7.99 then UKBA could say they're the same level but the rules don't allow him to sign technically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) From what I was told all hell broke loose with the UKBA last season precisely because one club replaced an English rider with a foreign one. too be honest i find it hard to believe they follow speedway close enough to know who replaces who they dont seam to care how many foriegn workers are taking the day to day jobs where i work we have less than 100 perminent staff topped up with a few agency workers when we get busy periods and we have 5 different foriegn nationalitys working with us surely if they werent working for us thoose places would be filled by british workers speedway is no different to other employments apart from the skilled workforce is not as high a standard in britten Edited December 15, 2014 by scarra 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 too be honest i find it hard to believe they follow speedway close enough to know who replaces who They dont have to follow it but if you were about to get the sack and replace by an Aussie or an American wouldn't you contact the UKBA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Is this the same organisation that asked if Swindon Speedway if they had advertised in the local press for a rider before they offered a contract to an Australian rider, they obviously have no idea how teams are built. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 They dont have to follow it but if you were about to get the sack and replace by an Aussie or an American wouldn't you contact the UKBA? if i was getting the sack i would poroberbly have not been doing my job to a good enough standard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justgotmecpc Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Surely Somerset wouldn't have needed to ask the BSPA in the first place (whether they were misinformed or not) as they were at the AGM where they were told that Aussies were on a 7. Rob said that Scunthorpe stopped negotiations with 2 Aussies for this very reason as teams were told of the average change for this year. looks like somerset were try'n to pull a fast 1 ?? oops and got found out,,,,,,, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) looks like somerset were try'n to pull a fast 1 ?? oops and got found out,,,,,,, if it wasnt so obvious i would agree but i cant believe they knew the day before the team was anounced and still went ahead with team anouncement for that reason alone i think they were trying to get away with it maybe hoping the same as last year (if we pretend we didnt know they will back down and let us away with it just like last year) Edited December 15, 2014 by scarra 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 probably because the BSPA office treated the Visa and Immigration people with the same arrogance and disdain as they treat everyone else the government department have been watching things very closely indeed. They know the averages of every rider in British Speedway and they arent going away, currently non EU riders are only allowed at all because the Natio nal League exists and is considered to be a training scheme to bring on BRITISH riders to replace (Eventually) non EU riders in the Premier and Elite Leagues. Thats why the National League is only allowed British riders, without the NL acting as a training league there would be NO non EU riders in British speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 interesting comments about the nl riders being british. who is zac woll === , something or other doing rididng in the nl for birmingham. i take it he is british.. please forgive my ignorance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spin king Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 interesting comments about the nl riders being british. who is zac woll === , something or other doing rididng in the nl for birmingham. i take it he is british.. please forgive my ignorance. We forgive you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 well seeing its Christmas., and goodwill to all .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancient mariner Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 (edited) interesting comments about the nl riders being british. who is zac woll === , something or other doing rididng in the nl for birmingham. i take it he is british.. please forgive my ignorance. You may mean Zach Wajtknecht Nationality British, lives in Saltford near Bristol. Edited December 15, 2014 by ancient mariner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 another interesting FACT on the allen/holder saga is in the 2015 signings section allen has been changed to a 7.00 average but holder remains a 5.00 is there something in that or just not been altered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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