Somerset 2015

[stevenl049]

So I see. Ha ha

 

For what it's worth, they actually got away with him being a 5 pointer. He should actually have been in on a 7 point average due to him riding in the danish superliga but we'll not go there.

 

There both good kids, I'm genuinely not having a go at Brady or Jack and I sincerely hope Jack can get fixed up, it's just a shame that they (or he rather) need to go through this period of uncertainty due to a mistake on the clubs behalf.

 

good luck having an opinion against starman mate lol he cant see another view and cant debate.

 

For what its worth they tried to get Brady Kurtz for a 3 last year to be told its 5

This season they try and get Holder for a 5 when he is a 7

 

Same club. Either they dont read the rules or they are trying to pull a fast one.

[oldtimer]

This whole saga beggars belief, the averages and rules should be on computer at BSPA head office so that anyone can look them up and get an immediate answer. It's just another example of the amateur way speedway is run.

[Hodgy]

There is a difference between knowing when assembling a team and finding out a day before the press release. Can't believe they would put together a team hoping no one would notice. Also screwing up another riders season by making changes prior to tapes up. There are 3 teams in this situation - obviously not that clear at the time.

[jenga]

if you put rules on a website .you would be forever updating them. but i like it the way it is now, it keeps you guessing. lol.

only 2 teams, sheff is ok with sissis or whatever he is called.

Edited December 14, 2014 by jenga

[smod]

Last year Brady Kurtz would have come in on 3.00, except he had raced in an overseas league. He doesn't need a visa as his parentage allows him a UK passport.

 

This year, Jack Holder is a quite different case. An Australian passport, er, holder. Needs a visa, will be assessed as a foreigner.

 

Two different situations.

 

Mind you, same club screwed up both times.

[SteveLyric2]

So do all new 'foreigners' now come into the PL on 7 points??

 

And what average would, for example, Jack Holder be on if he loses his Somerset place and is signed up directly as an EL 2nd string? Would it be 5 or 4.2(7 x 0,6)??

[Starman2006]

good luck having an opinion against starman mate lol he cant see another view and cant debate.

 

For what its worth they tried to get Brady Kurtz for a 3 last year to be told its 5

This season they try and get Holder for a 5 when he is a 7

 

Same club. Either they dont read the rules or they are trying to pull a fast one.

Were talking about jack here, not brady. As i said can he prove what he said, clearly no is the answer. Thats debate. he didn't know why tell rubbishe. i suppose it goes with the territory on this forum.

[Halifaxtiger]

Why would a promoter take the word from "a girl in the office" as you say. Why wouldn't they go to the BSPA representative directly. They have each other's phone numbers.

 

My suspicion is that is precisely what Somerset did initially and were told Holder was a 5.00. The problem is that the BSPA (because we never, ever, get a statement as to who precisely has made decisions, its always a collective) can't and won't admit they made a mistake.

 

It won't be the first time they have tried to maintain the ridiculous illusion that they are infallible and it won't be the last.

 

Somerset have said themselves they knew the day before they revealed their side they knew Holder was on a 7.00 and should of cancelled the whole thing but couldn't because of sponsors and everything else that went with organising that social night - which in hindsight may of been a better option but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

 

Whichever way you look at it, this changes the whole position here.

 

Who on earth announces publicly a team in the full knowledge that that team is illegal and will have to be changed before the season starts ?

 

I'd maintain the BSPA is to blame for the initial problem but to take the above action isn't just ludicrous, its positively bizarre and I don't think it needs the benefit of hindsight to know that that is a mistake.

 

The question that has to be answered is how a sponsor would feel if he went along, was delighted with the line up only to find out the next day that that couldn't be the team and the promotion knew that all along.

so last year they try and get brady Kurtz on a 3.00 and it's then the BSPA fault because they told them he was a 3 when it was clear he wasn't.

 

Thiis year they try and get Jack Holder on a 5.00 and it's then the BSPA fault becuase they told them he was a 5.00 when it was clear he wasn't.

 

Strange that!

 

Not strange, ridiculous.

 

The question is though who is really at fault ?

Edited December 14, 2014 by Halifaxtiger

[Najjer]

Halifax Tiger - you've been one had one of the best inputs on this discussion and have been very unbiased.

 

From what we can see so far, I'd say it's the BSPA who made the initial mistake with the false information being given to Somerset, but since the correct info was then past on Somerset should of acted completely differently - especially after last winter.

 

No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes, and I've always been full of praise for the promotion at Somerset who 99% of the time get it right - it appears though they have made a mistake here. Not on Holder having the wrong average, but for the way it was handled once in the knowledge the BSPA were making him a 7.00.

Edited December 14, 2014 by Najjer

[Halifaxtiger]

Just a thought - If , as has been suggested, the correct figure issued by immigration has been 7 for a number of years, and BSPA chose to ignore this and effectively "break the rules" would they want to have an official statement issued by them, containing the news that they are "changing" to implement and abide by a ruling which should have been in place for a number of years.

 

Maybe this is why no "official" statement has been issued, and is not likely to be - it looks to me like BSPA were trying to get this in place without any fuss - well that worked well - didn't it !

 

That's a not an unreasonable point but to my knowledge the UKBA (or whatever they are called) knew precisely what was going on so an announcement would have made no difference. I certainly know that all hell broke last year.

 

As far as the BSPA changing the gradings, we had control of this until the saga with the tier 5 visas!

 

Who was at the centre for that controversy again?

 

It wasn't Somerset.

 

You'd have to look a little closer to the BSPA management committee for that.

Halifax Tiger - you've been one had one of the best inputs on this discussion and have been very unbiased.

 

From what we can see so far, I'd say it's the BSPA who made the initial mistake with the false information being given to Somerset, but since the correct info was then past on Somerset should of acted completely differently - especially after last winter.

 

No one is perfect and everyone makes mistakes, and I've always been full of praise for the promotion at Somerset who 99% of the time get it right - it appears though they have made a mistake here. Not on Holder having the wrong average, but for the way it was handled once in the knowledge the BSPA were making him a 7.00.

 

That's the way I see it.

 

I think you're right about the Somerset promotion which makes their action here all the more surprising.

[Arson fire]

Its all pooles fault, another one of their future riders trying to join British speedway hiding in a waggon from Calais.

[northyorksbear]

 

That's a not an unreasonable point but to my knowledge the UKBA (or whatever they are called) knew precisely what was going on so an announcement would have made no difference. I certainly know that all hell broke last year.

 

 

The "UKBA" may well have known - to clarify I was suggesting announcement may not have been made to try and avoid 'everyone' becoming aware what had been going on, and therefore saving their reputation (yes I know some will say what reputation!!)

[spin king]

Can somebody correct me if I am wrong, but when Somerset made an announcement that they were going to announce their team did they not say that they may not be able to announce the full team..

[RebelDan]

I think the only logical choice is to unfortunately drop Holder or Worrall.

 

I would be inclined to keep Richie as he has good Premier League experience. It would be tough on Holder on a 7 point average starting as third heat leader.

 

I just hope there is no implications with Brady going EL.

[Gavan]

Were talking about jack here, not brady. As i said can he prove what he said, clearly no is the answer. Thats debate. he didn't know why tell rubbishe. i suppose it goes with the territory on this forum.

please understand what I write! Brady had average issues last season and Holder this season. Both Somerset riders. Is that to hard for you to understand?

[Najjer]

Can somebody correct me if I am wrong, but when Somerset made an announcement that they were going to announce their team did they not say that they may not be able to announce the full team..

You are correct - however I think that would be nothing more than creating a story out of nothing, as I would assume it was more in reference to agreeing terms with riders.

[spin king]

You are correct - however I think that would be nothing more than creating a story out of nothing, as I would assume it was more in reference to agreeing terms with riders.

 

Thanks for that I thought I had seen it somewhere.

 

To be fair I don't think any of others know the full facts of who is right and who is not, or who has made a pigs ear of it all. either way its a bloody mess.

 

And it look like their will ne rider who thought that his plans were sorted out that will now probably have to make alternative plans.

[Ned Kelly 41]

Somebody raised the point, perhaps on another thread, that the 7.00 which newcomers had to aspire to in the past included their bonus points.

 

Now these are no longer included in a rider's CMA, it is simply ridiculous to demand a young rider has to achieve the same figure.

[Islander15]

Surely Somerset wouldn't have needed to ask the BSPA in the first place (whether they were misinformed or not) as they were at the AGM where they were told that Aussies were on a 7. Rob said that Scunthorpe stopped negotiations with 2 Aussies for this very reason as teams were told of the average change for this year.

[Shadders]

an Aussie or any other nationality replacing a Brit is hardly a rarity in this sport and neither is it a disgrace.

 

Personally, I couldn't give a stuff where my teams riders come from. As long as they're fully committed and are banging the points in.