iris123 Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 (edited) Spoke with Seppänen yesterday in an official capacity. St Johann is currently the only club interested(/that has applied) in hosting the Challenge, so there really is a limited amount of options for FIM who to give it to. Exactly.Like i said "sounds easy,obviously isn't" If someone is going to the expense of hiring an indoor stadium(even an outdoor one like Berlin) it is very unlikely they will do it to host a quali meeting.They will want a world final round.And as i said before,it is unlikely the speed skating people will hand over their stadium during the season.I expect they get decent sports grants and there are conditions set by governing bodies as to how often the stadiums are used for the sport.For training,youth development and comps It is just like those that want to go back to the old one-off speedway world final and come up with ideas that every rider in the world will get to compete.........the trouble being they have no idea how many tracks want to host a quali round with national/premier league standard riders and so on. Generally these things don't happen because no-one wants to take the chance and pay out stadium hire and FIM fees etc Was you at the Finnish Final talking to Jouni? Easy win for Järf or did he have to work for it?And what about young Aakko? Edited January 25, 2015 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 25, 2015 Report Share Posted January 25, 2015 Exactly.Like i said "sounds easy,obviously isn't" If someone is going to the expense of hiring an indoor stadium(even an outdoor one like Berlin) it is very unlikely they will do it to host a quali meeting.They will want a world final round.And as i said before,it is unlikely the speed skating people will hand over their stadium during the season.I expect they get decent sports grants and there are conditions set by governing bodies as to how often the stadiums are used for the sport.For training,youth development and comps It is just like those that want to go back to the old one-off speedway world final and come up with ideas that every rider in the world will get to compete.........the trouble being they have no idea how many tracks want to host a quali round with national/premier league standard riders and so on. Generally these things don't happen because no-one wants to take the chance and pay out stadium hire and FIM fees etc Was you at the Finnish Final talking to Jouni? Easy win for Järf or did he have to work for it?And what about young Aakko? I was there, yes. I think Järf had to make two passes all day having missed the start, max score and a win in the final by a straight. Jouni was a bit poor (he was very aggressive last year, like an old lady yesterday) and lost to Järf by half a lap in their heat. Young Aakko is a minor misunderstanding Doug, as it was Antti's father. He was quite good. Lost his own bike with suspension problems and then fell while comfortable second in the semifinal with Anttis bike. Just lost his front grip and slid to the "fence". Longer straights and tighter bends than last year equalled bigger gaps between riders. A bit like making a speedway track grippy in Finland... Gaps between riders skills will get highlighted, though it will serve the top few as a more international experience. Tani was also out with injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Is this the smallest ice racing track ever ? Torun meeting last Saturday http://speedwaytv.sportowefakty.pl/12226/artur-czaja-najlepszy-w-xii-mistrzostwach-torunia-w-zuzlu-na-lodzie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 Is this the smallest ice racing track ever ? Torun meeting last Saturday http://speedwaytv.sportowefakty.pl/12226/artur-czaja-najlepszy-w-xii-mistrzostwach-torunia-w-zuzlu-na-lodzie No. The one in my back garden where my next door neighbour and i race our snow blowers is slightly smaller From a frigid (but functioning !) USA to a "we can't cope with 2" of snow UK. Roll on the springtime. All the best. Alan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 It's not "ice racing", it's "ice speedway" and "tracks" for this kind of speedway are builded at ice-rings (ice hockey fields). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted January 30, 2015 Report Share Posted January 30, 2015 I was there and also made a few video's: http://www.baansportfansite.nl/nieuws/595/speedway-op-ijs-gala-in-torun-.html Was fun, but now in Russia for the real deal :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) It's not "ice racing", it's "ice speedway" and "tracks" for this kind of speedway are builded at ice-rings (ice hockey fields).It depends on who you ask. Imo ice racing is the correct name since Ice speedway is regular speedway bikes on an ice track. Ice racing is not speedway on ice, its an own sport just like MX and Enduro are different sports despite being very similar. Also in Sweden it is known as ice racing (isracing) . http://www.svemo.se/sv/Grenar/Isracing/ Also ice hockey is played indoors on hockey rinks which occasionally is used for ice speedway while ice racing is held on speedway tracks or Bandy fields. Edited January 31, 2015 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 It is what you call it haha.In Holland and Germany they call it 'ijsspeedway' and 'eisspeedway' which translates to icespeedway. The indoor hockey fun they call in Germany 'speedway on ice'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
britmet Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 It's not "ice racing", it's "ice speedway" and "tracks" for this kind of speedway are builded at ice-rings (ice hockey fields). . Both are correct if we translate their terminology as used in the countries where its raced: in Sweden it's Isracing; in mainland Europe it's Eisspeedway and Ijsspeedway. But here's the definitive, in FIM's own nomenclature: - http://www.fim-live.com/en/article/motul-fim-ice-speedway-gladiators-change-of-date/ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted January 31, 2015 Report Share Posted January 31, 2015 (edited) MOTUL FIM ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL 1, Krasnagorsk, Russia, Saturday 31st January and Sunday 1st February 2015 RESULTS: (Russia unless stated) Saturday: Nikolai Krasnikov 21 (15+3+3), Vitalli Khomitsevich 16 (12+2+2), Dmitri Khomitsevich 14 (11+2+1), Dmitri Koltakov 15 (12+3+0), Igor Kononov 15 (14+1), Daniil Ivanov 11 (10+1) Franz Zorn (Austria) 9 (9+0), Jan Klatovsky (Czech Rep.) 8 (8+0), Antonin Klatovsky (Czech Rep) 7, Harald Simon (Austria) 6, Johann Weber (Germany) 4, Stefan Svensson (Sweden) 3, Gunther Bauer (Germany) 3, Mats Jarf (Finland) 3, Stefan Pletschacher (Germany) 2, Per-Anders Lindstrom (Sweden) 0 SF1: Krasnikov, V. Khomitsevich, Ivanov, Zorn SF2: Koltakov, D. Khomitsevich, Kononov, J. Klatovsky FINAL: Krasnikov, V. Khomitsevich, D. Khomitsevich, Koltakov Krasnikov becomes the first Wild Card to win a round in the competition as afr as I can tell. And what a way to do it. He was unstopable this afternoon. There will be a live feed again tomorrow from 10am but it's not the best, but you get the gist of what's happening. Edited February 1, 2015 by Conkers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 I'm assuming Krasnikov will not be a wild card in the non-Russian rounds. Pity as he has obviously lost none of his brilliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Where is the live feed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Krasnikov is only in this round, but will ride in the European Championships. As for a live feed, it appears that the Stadium have blocked it today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Does anyone know why Krasnikov opted out of the series?. He obviously still has the hunger and the will to win. p.s. If we accept that Krasnikov is the greatest Ice racer ever, and that all competitors in the WC are European, then should he win the EC this year will that make him de facto World Champion? (assuming all the top Russians contest the EC). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 Krasnikov retired from the World Championships after his 8th win in 2012. He continues to ride in Russia as Rider/Coach of Ufa, and intends to contest the European Championship this year as he has never won that - his best is 2nd in 2002 and 2013. He rides as a wild card this weekend as he won the Russian Championship last month. He will ride in Berlin as part of the Russian Team in the Team Final, and still rides in open meetings as his presence gets the bums on seats as they say. But he is without a doubt the greatest rider ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted February 1, 2015 Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 MOTUL FIM ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL 1, Krasnagorsk, Russia, Saturday 31st January and Sunday 1st February 2015 Sunday: Krasnikov 20 (14+3+3), Koltakov 20 (15+3+2), D. Khomitsevich 15 (12+2+1), Ivanov 11 (9+2+0), Kononov 12 (11+1), V. Khomitsevich 12 (11+1), Zorn 8 (8+0), J. Klatovsky 8 (8+0), A. Klatovsky 8, Bauer 6, Weber 4, Svensson 3, Jarf 2, Lindstrom 1, Pletschacher 0 SF1: Koltakov, Ivanov, Kononov, Zorn SF2: Krasnikov, D. Khomitsevich, V. Khomitsevich, J. Klatovsky Final: Krasnikov, Koltakov, D. Khomitsevich, Ivanov Overall Standings: (* indicates Wild Card) Krasnikov*41, Koltakov 35, D.Khomitsevich 29, V. Khomitsevich 28, Kononov 27, Ivanov 22, Zorn 17, J. Klatovsky 16, A. Klatovsky 15, Simon 14, Bauer 9, Weber 8, Svensson 6, Jarf 5, Pletschacher 2, Lindstrom 1 Krasnikov again. But going into Togliatti next weekend, it is Koltakov who will be the one to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted February 1, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 1, 2015 MOTUL FIM ICE SPEEDWAY GLADIATORS WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP FINAL 1, Krasnagorsk, Russia, Saturday 31st January and Sunday 1st February 2015 Sunday: Krasnikov 20 (14+3+3), Koltakov 20 (15+3+2), D. Khomitsevich 15 (12+2+1), Ivanov 11 (9+2+0), Kononov 12 (11+1), V. Khomitsevich 12 (11+1), Zorn 8 (8+0), J. Klatovsky 8 (8+0), A. Klatovsky 8, Bauer 6, Weber 4, Svensson 3, Jarf 2, Lindstrom 1, Pletschacher 0 SF1: Koltakov, Ivanov, Kononov, Zorn SF2: Krasnikov, D. Khomitsevich, V. Khomitsevich, J. Klatovsky Final: Krasnikov, Koltakov, D. Khomitsevich, Ivanov Overall Standings: (* indicates Wild Card) Krasnikov*41, Koltakov 35, D.Khomitsevich 29, V. Khomitsevich 28, Kononov 27, Ivanov 22, Zorn 17, J. Klatovsky 16, A. Klatovsky 15, Simon 14, Bauer 9, Weber 8, Svensson 6, Jarf 5, Pletschacher 2, Lindstrom 1 Krasnikov again. But going into Togliatti next weekend, it is Koltakov who will be the one to watch. What a pity Krasnikov is only doing this round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Daniel Henderson, Nicklas Kallin Svensson and Ove Ledström are Team Sweden's riders in the team world cup in Berlin. http://www1.idrottonline.se/SmedernaSpeedwayforening-MotorcykelochSnoskoter/Nyheter/Nyhetsarkiv/Hendersonuttagentilllag-VM/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ja-Jacek Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Krasnikov is only in this round, but will ride in the European Championships. Last time Krasnikov decided not to ride in the European Championships. Russia will be represent by Toloknov, Karachintsev and Makarov. http://www.speedway-press.ru/2015/02/feb08.html In my opinion the only reason is to win the last series of Superliga (the same time be played) and get the national team champion title. For Russian poeple it's the most important. Edited February 5, 2015 by Ja-Jacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conkers Posted February 6, 2015 Report Share Posted February 6, 2015 Last time Krasnikov decided not to ride in the European Championships. Russia will be represent by Toloknov, Karachintsev and Makarov. http://www.speedway-press.ru/2015/02/feb08.html In my opinion the only reason is to win the last series of Superliga (the same time be played) and get the national team champion title. For Russian poeple it's the most important. I'm checking my sources in Ufa, as that's where I got the info originally, however if he's not riding then I stand corrected. Seems logoical Toloknov is riding as Russian Junior Champion, and Makharov as he's a Lukhovitsy rider. Line up for Togliatti: 1 13 Mats Järf SML Finland 2 7 Günter Bauer DMSB Germany 3 4 Igor Kononov MFR Russia 4 9 Per-Anders Lindström SVEMO Sweden 5 8 Stefan Pletschacher DMSB Germany 6 2 Dimitry Koltakov MFR Russia 7 5 Stefan Svensson SVEMO Sweden 8 16 WC Nikita Toloknov MFR Russia 9 6 Jan Klatovsky ACCR Czech Republic 10 3 Dimitry Khomitsevich MFR Russia 11 12 Hans Weber DMSB Germany 12 10 Franz Zorn OeAMTC Austria 13 11 Vitaly Khomitsevich MFR Russia 14 1 Daniil Ivanov MFR Russia 15 14 Antonin Klatovsky ACCR Czech Republic 16 15 Harald Simon OeAMTC Austria Reserve 1 Mikhail Litvinov MFR Russia Reserve 2 Ivan Bolshakov MFR Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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