kbt Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I understand that the girl has had to leave her home because of Internet trolls, and will be paying the price for years to come. Whether it was rape or not, Evans has some disgusting habits and I can't understand his girlfriend's attitude at all. Desperate to be a wag,no matter what the cost? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 As far as I am aware he was sentenced to 5 years in prison, some seem to feel this also means being banned from pursuing his career. Has any body considered that he shows no remorse as he genuinely feels himself to be not guilty? Presumably a fast track review of the case must mean that others may feel the same way. As far as I am aware he was sentenced to 5 years in prison, some seem to feel this also means being banned from pursuing his career. Has any body considered that he shows no remorse as he genuinely feels himself to be not guilty? Presumably a fast track review of the case must mean that others may feel the same way. As it stands Ched Evans is a convicted rapist showing no remorse whatsoever...as such Sheffield Utd should have left well alone , especially knowing there is going to be an appeal and possible review of the case....if that review then brought a not guilty verdict and over turned the original conviction then I don't think people could have the same concerns about Evans being signed.....he would certainly be an odious individual but an odious individual not guilty of rape..and nothing could really stop Sheffield Utd signing him .....they have committed an awful PR act by inviting him to train before the review conclusion and the petition signers, the patrons , Jess Ennis and the sponsors deserve praise for their stance and Sheffield Utd deserve all the backlash as a club.. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 As it stands Ched Evans is a convicted rapist showing no remorse whatsoever...as such Sheffield Utd should have left well alone , especially knowing there is going to be an appeal and possible review of the case....if that review then brought a not guilty verdict and over turned the original conviction then I don't think people could have the same concerns about Evans being signed.....he would certainly be an odious individual but an odious individual not guilty of rape..and nothing could really stop Sheffield Utd signing him .....they have committed an awful PR act by inviting him to train before the review conclusion and the petition signers, the patrons , Jess Ennis and the sponsors deserve praise for their stance and Sheffield Utd deserve all the backlash as a club..why the hell should he show remorse if he says hes not guilty and fighting to clear his name?? Would you??... Christ almighty man.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 How many of you realise that when a woman says 'No' to sex that means 'No' - even within marriage. Having sex with a woman is not the same as 'making love' as a couple. Maybe - like me - the young woman did not realise that her consent to sex was needed and that a man who had sex with her without her full consent was raping her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 How many of you realise that when a woman says 'No' to sex that means 'No' - even within marriage. Having sex with a woman is not the same as 'making love' as a couple. Maybe - like me - the young woman did not realise that her consent to sex was needed and that a man who had sex with her without her full consent was raping her. from what i recall though, this woman didnt say no..?? have you asked consent to have sex everytime?? It just happens in my experience between willing people, ive never ever had a debate beforehand or seeked consent... ??.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribbler Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I am female. Just because a couple are married - or in a relationship - doesn't mean that a man has a right to have sex. Any woman has the right to say 'No'. If a woman is trying not to allow penetration do you still think she wants sex? Does it never occur to you that, just because you want sex that the woman might not? It does not make a man any less of a man if he respects what a woman says - and that what a woman says is what she means. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) Haven't seen this Charlie Webster before, Can anyone put a face to a name? Edited November 14, 2014 by Morrissey Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 As it stands Ched Evans is a convicted rapist showing no remorse whatsoever...as such Sheffield Utd should have left well alone , especially knowing there is going to be an appeal and possible review of the case....if that review then brought a not guilty verdict and over turned the original conviction then I don't think people could have the same concerns about Evans being signed.....he would certainly be an odious individual but an odious individual not guilty of rape..and nothing could really stop Sheffield Utd signing him .....they have committed an awful PR act by inviting him to train before the review conclusion and the petition signers, the patrons , Jess Ennis and the sponsors deserve praise for their stance and Sheffield Utd deserve all the backlash as a club.. When you said you maintain you not Guilty you can't show any remorse ...Of all the things said on the subject I still can't understand how people get there heads round that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 When you said you maintain you not Guilty you can't show any remorse ...Of all the things said on the subject I still can't understand how people get there heads round that Even if he maintains it wasn't rape the way he actually treated and behaved towards the girl was vile and disgusting and he should show remorse for that alone....he really is a loathsome individual regardless of the outcome of the case 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 I am female. Just because a couple are married - or in a relationship - doesn't mean that a man has a right to have sex. Any woman has the right to say 'No'. If a woman is trying not to allow penetration do you still think she wants sex? Does it never occur to you that, just because you want sex that the woman might not? It does not make a man any less of a man if he respects what a woman says - and that what a woman says is what she means. of course it does i agree, but what you are posting isnt rocket science, what has that got to do with this case?? As far as im aware she didnt say no or atempt to stop penetration. And btw does it ever occur to you that not all men are the same, so what are you trying to imply or say towards me?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 why the hell should he show remorse if he says hes not guilty and fighting to clear his name?? Would you??... Christ almighty man.... Even if he doesnt understand the meaning of consent, he could condem his familly and supporters for making the victim change her identity twice because they illegally named her on the internet. he could condem them for saying that Jess Ennis should be raped, by evens was the suggestion, and the abuse of Charlie Webster and everyone else who gets abuse for supporting the verdict of the court. all that would be a start, but no word, except to apologise to his girlfriend, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 from what i recall though, this woman didnt say no..?? have you asked consent to have sex everytime?? It just happens in my experience between willing people, ive never ever had a debate beforehand or seeked consent... ??.. There was a day when you only had to wear a johnny, now you have to have consent in writing with an attorney present. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Even if he doesnt understand the meaning of consent, he could condem his familly and supporters for making the victim change her identity twice because they illegally named her on the internet. he could condem them for saying that Jess Ennis should be raped, by evens was the suggestion, and the abuse of Charlie Webster and everyone else who gets abuse for supporting the verdict of the court. all that would be a start, but no word, except to apologise to his girlfriend, i highly doubt it was his family who named her...why should he get involved in what others say?? He probably doesnt even know them!! The ministry of justice allows those who maintain their innocence to do so via the internet, do you think for one minute his lawyers will let him get embroiled in anything else other than clear his name?? His mate was charged with the same offence and the same evidence was used against him, he is not guilty, does that not ring alarm bells if you take a step back and look at it rationally.... How the hell does she consent to one but not the other if she was incapable of being able to consent?? Genuine question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 of course it does i agree, but what you are posting isnt rocket science, what has that got to do with this case?? As far as im aware she didnt say no or atempt to stop penetration. And btw does it ever occur to you that not all men are the same, so what are you trying to imply or say towards me?? you are begining to understand, thats the whole point, she wasnt in a fit state to do either, she doesnt have to say no if she wasnt in a fit state to say yes i highly doubt it was his family who named her...why should he get involved in what others say?? He probably doesnt even know them!! The ministry of justice allows those who maintain their innocence to do so via the internet, do you think for one minute his lawyers will let him get embroiled in anything else other than clear his name?? His mate was charged with the same offence and the same evidence was used against him, he is not guilty, does that not ring alarm bells if you take a step back and look at it rationally.... How the hell does she consent to one but not the other if she was incapable of being able to consent?? Genuine question. you need to get the facts, just been said yet again on local news programme calendar, that a familly member did name her. His brother filmed the rape from outside the window the jury decided that there was reasonable doubt for his mate because he had been with her all night andshe went to the hotel with him, therefore reasonable doubt, he didnt sneak into the hotel room after never having met the girl, have sex with her when she could not consent, and then sneak out of the fire escape, his mate asked a member of staff to look in on her because of the state she was in There was a day when you only had to wear a johnny, now you have to have consent in writing with an attorney present. do you also think that if you a buy a girl a drink it makes it OK to have sex with her 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) you are begining to understand, thats the whole point, she wasnt in a fit state to do either, she doesnt have to say no if she wasnt in a fit state to say yes you need to get the facts, just been said yet again on local news programme calendar, that a familly member did name her. His brother filmed the rape from outside the window the jury decided that there was reasonable doubt for his mate because he had been with her all night andshe went to the hotel with him, therefore reasonable doubt, he didnt sneak into the hotel room after never having met the girl, have sex with her when she could not consent, and then sneak out of the fire escape, his mate asked a member of staff to look in on her because of the state she was in do you also think that if you a buy a girl a drink it makes it OK to have sex with her really?? I wasnt aware.. Have you a link so i can have a butchers please. EDIT. Just been reading his website and its quite interesting reading, obviously bias towards him but certainly raises a few questions. Edited November 14, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wealdstone Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 The whole point here is whether or not it is right to extend the punishment over and above the sentence given by the courts.That is what some are advocating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 Even if he doesnt understand the meaning of consent, he could condem his familly and supporters for making the victim change her identity twice because they illegally named her on the internet. he could condem them for saying that Jess Ennis should be raped, by evens was the suggestion, and the abuse of Charlie Webster and everyone else who gets abuse for supporting the verdict of the court. all that would be a start, but no word, except to apologise to his girlfriend, When is she going to say sorry to McDonald and his family ? after all he was found not guilty ..No doubt her family have said plenty of bad things about him all the internet as well but I doubt we are to see her say saying sorry . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 When is she going to say sorry to McDonald and his family ? after all he was found not guilty ..No doubt her family have said plenty of bad things about him all the internet as well but I doubt we are to see her say saying sorry . are you serious are are you just trying to be controversial, if you want to make excuses for a convicted rapist then obviously you can, why you would want to is a complete mystery to me really?? I wasnt aware.. Have you a link so i can have a butchers please. EDIT. Just been reading his website and its quite interesting reading, obviously bias towards him but certainly raises a few questions. not sure if you can get it on ITV catchup or not biased is an understatement, and quite a twisting of the facts, but he feeds the seagulls so he must be OK 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 are you serious are are you just trying to be controversial, if you want to make excuses for a convicted rapist then obviously you can, why you would want to is a complete mystery to me he has a point tbf though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 14, 2014 Report Share Posted November 14, 2014 (edited) you are begining to understand, thats the whole point, she wasnt in a fit state to do either, she doesnt have to say no if she wasnt in a fit state to say yes you need to get the facts, just been said yet again on local news programme calendar, that a familly member did name her. His brother filmed the rape from outside the window the jury decided that there was reasonable doubt for his mate because he had been with her all night andshe went to the hotel with him, therefore reasonable doubt, he didnt sneak into the hotel room after never having met the girl, have sex with her when she could not consent, and then sneak out of the fire escape, his mate asked a member of staff to look in on her because of the state she was in do you also think that if you a buy a girl a drink it makes it OK to have sex with her Y et again What happened with McDonald before means nothing .. as the crown and the woman story is that she could not remember anything . The fact remains it's all down to her consent in the bedroom and the case of the crown is that she was in no state to say no . thus making it impossible to find one Guilty and the other not . are you serious are are you just trying to be controversial, if you want to make excuses for a convicted rapist then obviously you can, why you would want to is a complete mystery to me not sure if you can get it on ITV catchup or not biased is an understatement, and quite a twisting of the facts, but he feeds the seagulls so he must be OK Mcdonald is not a convicted rapist thou he was found not Guilty . Edited November 14, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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