Charlie Webster

[E I Addio]

 

Hes served his time, he should now be free to do whatever he wishes within the law. Nothing in the law stops him being a footballer.

He is free to pursue his career if he can find a club but you can't force the paying public to accept him. In a similar way disgraced MP's like Chris Huhne , Elliot Morely and Jeffrey Archer are free to stand as MP's again if they wish once their sentences are served but you can't force people to vote for them.

 

As far as Hartlepool are concerned though I understand the local MP put his spoke in and opposed Evans being signed but don't see what it's got to do with him, so to that extent Evans has suffered from busybodies jumping on the bandwagon.

Edited December 23, 2014 by E I Addio

[spin king]

Been from Sheffield I have seen, read and heard lots of things about the Ched Evans case.

 

Putting aside the Charlie Webster business.

 

Ched Evans is a convicted rapist, whether you believe he is guilty or not he is a convicted rapist.

 

Ched Evans is perfectly entitled to resume his career if so.

 

But

 

Any prospective employer is also entitled not to employ him, and they also have to give very careful consideration as to the effects employing someone who is a convicted rapist.

 

The feelings of their customers (in this case fans)

 

The feelings of business partners/ fellow workers (sponsors/ employee's paid and unpaid).

 

End of the day most employers will take everything in to consideration about a convicted rapist and and probably say thanks but no thanks.

 

For me Evans conduct since leaving prison tells me that at this particular moment in time he should not return to a job that is well paid and very much in the public eye like football.

 

The video that was put out did him no favours it was insincere and look very staged managed.

 

At the end of the day the support that he had in Sheffield, disintegrated with his conduct towards Jess Ennis, something that people who don't come from the city will not realised is that Jess Ennis is a well loved and very well respected lady from Sheffield.

 

For those who don't know Jess was given the honour of having a stand named after her by Sheffield United, she did not ask for the honour it was given.

 

She came out and publicly said that if Sheffield United were to re- employ Ched Evans a convicted rapist she would ask for her name to removed, which she is perfectly entitled to do so.

 

What happened then was some of Evans sickest supporters and their are quite a few out there, called for someone to go and rape Jess Ennis.

 

At this point Ched Evans who is a convicted rapist has two choices as to how he deals with the incident.

 

(1) Come out and disassociate himself from those comments and condemn them.

 

(2) Say nothing.

 

Ched chose the latter, and frankly apart from the very few hardcore his support in Sheffield disintegrated, and I leave it for everyone else to decide whether or not he should have chosen option 1.

 

End of the day Ched chose his profession that is very well paid and in the public eye, the price you pay for doing that is that you will be watched and you have behave in a correct and professional nature at all times.

 

Whether he raped the girl or not what he and his so called professional footballer mate did was despicable, and Evans and to a lesser extent his mate are paying the price for their behaviour. . . . ..

[SteveLyric2]

So Ched decides next week, sod it, can't play football, have no qualifications, I'm off to work for McDonalds, they give him a job. As a famous person it will be in the papers that disgraced footballed Ched Evans is flipping burgers. Do the public have the right to get upset about that one too? So McDonalds then sack him, then what? He lives on benefits and we fund him until his dying day and he's punished for possibly 70 years? Great idea.

 

Hes served his time, he should now be free to do whatever he wishes within the law. Nothing in the law stops him being a footballer.

 

 

You are quite correct - although equally nothing in law stops clubs from not signing him!!

Edited December 24, 2014 by Skidder1

[Barrycuda]

So if we perceive that Ched Evans should not have a job in football, then perhaps then should we have expected or indeed accept that Tony Blair should have been running the UK government while been in Rupert Murdoch's marital bed with Murdoch's wife.

Pot and Kettle again.

[SCB]

Whether he raped the girl or not what he and his so called professional footballer mate did was despicable, and Evans and to a lesser extent his mate are paying the price for their behaviour. . . . ..

People keep saying this. Why? What is despicable about sleeping with someone?

 

I didn't realise everyone in the UK had taken a vow of chastity!

Edited December 24, 2014 by SCB

[Tsunami]

 

Having sex with someone isn't a crime. Rape is, and he was found guilty of it. I don't think the description 'scumbag' in such circumstances is an unreasonable one, and I suspect that many would probably use something a lot stronger.

 

I think E I Addio is spot on. Its fair point that he's served his time so he should be able to start again, but I can very much understand why people deeply object to having a convicted rapist in such a high profile profession.

 

 

People keep saying this. Why? What is despicable about sleeping with someone?

 

I didn't realise everyone in the UK had taken a vow of chastity!

 

I refer you to HT's post, posted the last time you missed the point.

[LagutaRacingFan]

Strange how people are criticizing Ched Evans but freely eat meat while raping the rights of Animals.

 

There's no difference between raping humans and animals.

[BluPanther]

Strange how people are criticizing Ched Evans but freely eat meat while raping the rights of Animals.

 

There's no difference between raping humans and animals.

'I did not have sexual relations with that pork chop'.

[Barrycuda]

Picture this Charlie Webster interviewing Chris Harris in the pits after Bomber had a small prang.

 

Nige: Well Kelv that was a surprise Bomber decking it.

Kelv: Yeah for sure nige.

Nige: Lets get some reaction from Charlie with Bomber in the pits..... sorry Kelv the paddock.

Charlie: OK Bomber what's that heap of scrap metal in the corner.

Bomber: Well Charlie as Kelvin would say that's my motorbike its all bent except the handle bars which are straight and should be bent.

Charlie: So what are you going to do to make it go faster and win your next heat Bomber.

Bomber: Well er Charlie we'll make few alterations.

Charlie: Like what Bomber.

Bomber: Inflate the rear tyre with air and see if it will go a lot faster.

Charlie: No kidding Bomber.

Bomber: No.

Charlie: Well its back to Nigel and Kelvin.

Nige: We apologize for any bad language that Charlie was thinking.

Kelv: Come to think of it Nige I think we should also apologize for the industrial language we both used early doors when we both trod in the same piece of dog dropping in the paddock earlier on when we were looking at the motorbikes.

Nige: Yeah absolutely Kelv I blame Chris Louis paddock report for that.

Kelv: Woah for sure Nige must miss it on the way out don't want that in the motor on the way home minging to high heavens.

Nige: Yes Kelv and if the match gets to heat ten and whether it rains or not and the away side are leading more than 6 points they will get 4 league points.

Kelv: Cor!!! no kidding Nige.

Nige: Remember another exciting episode of speedway next week folks, citzens and plebs goodnight.

Kelv: Goodnight.

 

Mean while Jim White in the Sky Sports News Headquarters is hearing breaking news about reports through Sky Sports sources that they are telling him that there is tension in the pits at one of the nights meeting and that Charlie Webster denies ever thinking any bad language and that both Mr Pearson and Mr Tatum had got it all wrong. Jim says we will hear about that story later on in the programme.

More breaking news from the Sky Sports News Headquarters that Floppy Norris and Chris Kamara will be co commentating on next weeks Elite League match while Charlie Nigel and Kelvin sort there differences out.

Edited December 24, 2014 by Barrycuda

[SCB]

I refer you to HT's post, posted the last time you missed the point.

McDonald was single. Is not guilty of rape. So a single man had consensual sex with a single woman and some people consider it "despicable". I ask again, when did the people of the UK take a vow of chastity and/or become such prudes.

[Arson fire]

McDonald was single. Is not guilty of rape. So a single man had consensual sex with a single woman and some people consider it "despicable". I ask again, when did the people of the UK take a vow of chastity and/or become such prudes.

did the lady in question then make a false allegation against Mcdonald then?? If Evans is a rapist, is the young lady a liar?? Should the public condem her for this??, a very odd case and sequence of events.( tin hat on)

 

 

Oh i forgot she couldnt remember sorry.

Edited December 24, 2014 by Arson fire

[Tsunami]

did the lady in question then make a false allegation against Mcdonald then?? If Evans is a rapist, is the young lady a liar?? Should the public condem her for this??, a very odd case and sequence of events.( tin hat on)

 

 

Oh i forgot she couldnt remember sorry.

No tin hat needed Arson, just a suggestion you read again the evidence and the reason it was decided one was guilty and the other not guilty. Pretty convincing to me.

If I cop off with a girl who is only just able to say YES. If I ring you, and you jump on after me without permission, what does that make you. ME, i'm innocent.

[Arson fire]

No tin hat needed Arson, just a suggestion you read again the evidence and the reason it was decided one was guilty and the other not guilty. Pretty convincing to me.

If I cop off with a girl who is only just able to say YES. If I ring you, and you jump on after me without permission, what does that make you. ME, i'm innocent.

ive read the evidence, they accused mcdonald of rape... He wasnt?? Someone should be held to account for this false allegation, this poor footballer has been through the mill and will have this stigma around his neck for the rest of his life... I feel heartly sorry for him.... He must have been worried sick that she could consent one min then 5 mins later couldnt... Nerve wracking no doubt. Edited December 24, 2014 by Arson fire

[iris123]

.

 

There's no difference between raping humans and animals.

There is a difference in Denmark

[E I Addio]

McDonald was single. Is not guilty of rape. So a single man had consensual sex with a single woman and some people consider it "despicable". I ask again, when did the people of the UK take a vow of chastity and/or become such prudes.

People keep saying this. Why? What is despicable about sleeping with someone?

 

I didn't realise everyone in the UK had taken a vow of chastity!

Everyone in the UK has not taken a vow of chastity BUT his own description of what he did was "an act of infidelity " towards his girlfriend so in Evans own terms there was an implied agreement of chastity and/or fidelity between him and his girlfriend, and by his own standards he cheated on her and he, again by his own standards would expect her show fidelity towards him. If all this had not blown up he would have kept quiet about so deception comes in as well , so that's where the scumbag bit comes in. Of course many of those condemning Evans now might have done the same thing but Evans was the one that got caught. So even before we get to the rape bit he is in many people's eyes, and according to his own definition a scumbag and a cheat.

 

As to the rape itself it was not in the same class as laying in wait in a dark alley with a knife, but as others have pointed out his public stance has done him no favours. Like a lot of things in life it is not black and white but shares of grey. Bill Clinton got away with cheating on his wife several times. Public opinion is a fickle thing, but the bottom line is that Evans chose to be in the public eye and chose to play fast and loose with. a complete stranger,so only has himself to blame

Edited December 24, 2014 by E I Addio

[Halifaxtiger]

ive read the evidence, they accused mcdonald of rape... He wasnt?? Someone should be held to account for this false allegation, this poor footballer has been through the mill and will have this stigma around his neck for the rest of his life... I feel heartly sorry for him.... He must have been worried sick that she could consent one min then 5 mins later couldnt... Nerve wracking no doubt

 

Both McDonald & Evans were accused of rape.

 

The girl went willingly to McDonalds hotel room with him through the front door. That was deemed to be consensual even though she said it was not, and I can see why. As someone said, 'What did she think they were going to do there, play Scrabble ?'.

 

She did not go to that room with Evans. He was phoned, turned up later, sneaked in and then sneaked out.

 

The difference to me is absolutely clear.

Edited December 24, 2014 by Halifaxtiger

[SCB]

Everyone in the UK has not taken a vow of chastity BUT his own description of what he did was "an act of infidelity " towards his girlfriend so in Evans own terms there was an implied agreement of chastity and/or fidelity between him and his girlfriend, and by his own standards he cheated on her and he, again by his own standards would expect her show fidelity towards him. If all this had not blown up he would have kept quiet about so deception comes in as well , so that's where the scumbag bit comes in. Of course many of those condemning Evans now might have done the same thing but Evans was the one that got caught. So even before we get to the rape bit he is in many people's eyes, and according to his own definition a scumbag and a cheat.

 

As to the rape itself it was not in the same class as laying in wait in a dark alley with a knife, but as others have pointed out his public stance has done him no favours. Like a lot of things in life it is not black and white but shares of grey. Bill Clinton got away with cheating on his wife several times. Public opinion is a fickle thing, but the bottom line is that Evans chose to be in the public eye and chose to play fast and loose with. a complete stranger,so only has himself to blame

McDonald was single. The courts found him not guilty. What did he do that was despicable?! You've focused on Evans here, done one has called McDonald despicable but nobody can tell me why, they prefer to tell me u have missed the point when they have made to a point that he cheated on his "girlfriend"(no such person exists).

 

Having sex is NOT despicable. Accusing a man of rape when he didn't do it, now that's despicable. But she's free to live her luge and do as she likes. Seems a tad unfair to me.

[SteveLyric2]

McDonald was single. The courts found him not guilty. What did he do that was despicable?! You've focused on Evans here, done one has called McDonald despicable but nobody can tell me why, they prefer to tell me u have missed the point when they have made to a point that he cheated on his "girlfriend"(no such person exists).

 

Having sex is NOT despicable. Accusing a man of rape when he didn't do it, now that's despicable. But she's free to live her luge and do as she likes. Seems a tad unfair to me.

 

So, at least she has the Winter Olympics to fall back on!!

[tyretrax]

This thread has stopped discussing Charlie and changed to Ched Evans. His thread is in General Discussions.

[E I Addio]

McDonald was single. The courts found him not guilty. What did he do that was despicable?! You've focused on Evans here, done one has called McDonald despicable but nobody can tell me why, they prefer to tell me u have missed the point when they have made to a point that he cheated on his "girlfriend"(no such person exists).

Having sex is NOT despicable. Accusing a man of rape when he didn't do it, now that's despicable. But she's free to live her luge and do as she likes. Seems a tad unfair to me.

Not much that can be said about McDonald. He was not found guilty so I don't have a particular opinion on his conduct. I certainly haven't described him as despicable, and come to that I don't think Charlie Webster, who the thread is about has said anything about him, so he is not really up for discussion. All I know about him is that he claims his career has been affected by the case but whether it's that or whether he is just a rubbish footballer I don' t know.

 

Come to that , I don't really have an opinion on whether Evans should play again. That's purely a matter between him and the paying fans of whatever club might think about signing him. My only point really is that he cheated on his girl friend, he put his career on the line and he only has himself to,blame if it all blew up.