Dave Jones Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Ha ha ha, behave She would be much better on Eurosport though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 She would be much better on Eurosport though Not even Eurosport could manage that miracle Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 That is unlikely , as she is now an ex sky presenter too. Did not know that and care even less She would if she was anthough which would make her a bit of a hypocrite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Well done to her, she stated she would do it and she has, again well done 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Glad to see the morons on here are still alive and kicking, but credit to you Third Man for making a valuable point. Takes guts to stand up to something like this, especially if it involves the club close to your heart. It's a shame United put her in that position, but well done to Charlie for taking this stance, and this evening to the Utd shirt sponsors for making their position clear if they resign the scumbag. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Totally agree, well done Charlie. Some of these footballers think they are above the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sotonian Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Thinking you are above the law shouldn't prevent you from pursuing the career you are best qualified for though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Thinking you are above the law shouldn't prevent you from pursuing the career you are best qualified for though. It would me if i had done it. a crb check with a serious sex offence on it would mean i was looking for another career, so not quite a true statement 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romans lovechild Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 as everybody says no one person is bigger than a club itself...........sorry Charlie, on yer bike. surely this is a matter between the club, the fans of the club and evans himself, not the shirt sponsors as there will be others waiting to take their place, and the club will already have their cash and it will be the shirt sponsor that is breaking the contract not the club. not the 157,000+ people that have signed the petition against him either, if they felt that strong about the club in the first place then surely they would all be clamouring for a ticket for the next home game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Totally agree, well done Charlie. Some of these footballers think they are above the law. This Footballer says he not guilty and a lot of people agree with him .. Let's hope you or Charlie never get convicted of something you never did or are not given a second chance by people . Evans has never said he was above the law he's has said he not guilty . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Those of you who take issue with Charlie's stance clearly are remote from the effect this horrendous crime has on victims, their immediate families, their careers, education,mental and physical health. They no longer have the ability to enjoy and benefit from from a trusting, loving relationship. Social interaction becomes an ordeal, they hide behind closed doors and drawn curtains, an unplanned knock from a caller or visitor sends them into blind panic, shopping, a visit to the Doctors or Dentist cannot be done unaccompanied. Without boring everyone life never is and can never be the same or normal and I relate this to a victim who has suffered for 30 years and another for 24. One had the audacity to help someone who said they were lost and gave them directions the other accepted a lift from a colleague both have never forgiven themselves for being honest enough to trust someone in both cases in safe environments, as far as both are concerned they were the guilty party themselves and all the counselling and medication hasn't changed a thing. I despair at this forums understanding of Speedway matters at times. Beyond Speedway posters really should refrain from any comment that has consequences on someone else. Charlie is human like the rest of us but has done more for her causes in spite of her critics and abusers and really doesn't need to be a victim again, she is a very, very brave woman. Charlie Webster has openly "come out" as a victim of sexual abuse, can you for even a second imagine how bold and courageous that is given some of the above. Criticism of a victim of sexual abuse amounts to condonding the actions of the perpetrator in my opinion. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Those of you who take issue with Charlie's stance clearly are remote from the effect this horrendous crime has on victims, their immediate families, their careers, education,mental and physical health. They no longer have the ability to enjoy and benefit from from a trusting, loving relationship. Social interaction becomes an ordeal, they hide behind closed doors and drawn curtains, an unplanned knock from a caller or visitor sends them into blind panic, shopping, a visit to the Doctors or Dentist cannot be done unaccompanied. Without boring everyone life never is and can never be the same or normal and I relate this to a victim who has suffered for 30 years and another for 24. One had the audacity to help someone who said they were lost and gave them directions the other accepted a lift from a colleague both have never forgiven themselves for being honest enough to trust someone in both cases in safe environments, as far as both are concerned they were the guilty party themselves and all the counselling and medication hasn't changed a thing. I despair at this forums understanding of Speedway matters at times. Beyond Speedway posters really should refrain from any comment that has consequences on someone else. Charlie is human like the rest of us but has done more for her causes in spite of her critics and abusers and really doesn't need to be a victim again, she is a very, very brave woman. Charlie Webster has openly "come out" as a victim of sexual abuse, can you for even a second imagine how bold and courageous that is given some of the above. Criticism of a victim of sexual abuse amounts to condonding the actions of the perpetrator in my opinion. And does Charlie care if Evans is not Guilty ? or that he has spent time in Prison for no reason or the effect of her actions are having on Evans and his family and friends . I agree people should refrain from comments and actions that effect and that includes Webster getting involved in a case that a lot of the public think there has been a unfair verdict Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisperer Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Regardless he was found guilty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Regardless he was found guilty So were the Brum 6 and Barry George etc and so have many others .. As I said it not a clear cut case so and a lot of public don't think he was guilty so Webster should have kept out it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 Dave Kitson The Secret Footballer in his book 'I Am The Secret Footballer' recounts a tale of when he was leaving Millwall's ground with a teammate and was approached by a 7 year old child who went up his teammate and said 'african american'. He then goes on to say "The point, though this is an extreme case, is that much of what a child learns comes directly from his or her parents. They are the closest influence and a guide to acceptable behaviour. This is why I struggle to accept the idea of footballers as role models. While I'm not condoning some of the things that players do, if your son or daughter is copying them, ask yourself why they're taking more notice of a Premier League footballer than they are of you.." When I read and thought about that in the context of Ched Evans it did make me wonder about the validity of barring him from returning to his previous employment/trade on the grounds that he should be 'made an example of' and because he is supposedly a 'role model'. Obviously an emotional response that rape is bad (as is war, murder etc ) is wholly understandable but unless I've missed it I'm not convinced that Charlie has made a well reasoned case for her resignation. was approached by a 7 year old child who went up his teammate and said 'african american'. Note The original post has been automatically changed to remove the offensive word, nonetheless I think you can work out what was said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 So were the Brum 6 and Barry George etc and so have many others .. As I said it not a clear cut case so and a lot of public don't think he was guilty so Webster should have kept out it . By the same orion logic. All those found guilty by a court of law should be considered as innocent, until they prove themselves not guilty. As most criminals probably say or believe they are innocent at some stage, that is a lot of persecuted law breakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Man Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 This Footballer says he not guilty and a lot of people agree with him .. Let's hope you or Charlie never get convicted of something you never did or are not given a second chance by people . Evans has never said he was above the law he's has said he not guilty . do you know the facts that were given in court? the girl went back to a hotel room with his friend after having sex with her he then phoned evans who arrived later, crept into the hotel room he had sex with her while his friends filmed it from outside, the girl was too drunk to remember he was even there, it was his friend that supplied this evidencs and evans himself agreed to this account he then let himself out of the hotel by the fire escape the girl could not consent because she was too drunk there is no fabrication of evidence, all the accused agreed what happened in court he thinks all that is OK all 12 of the original jury and two sets of appeal judges say its rape, not quite the Birmingham six is it 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted November 12, 2014 Report Share Posted November 12, 2014 So, is Miss Webster unemployed now? The poor thing could always make her money doing this again. https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&rlz=1C1CHFX_en-GBGB533GB533&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=charlie%20webster%20fhm%20pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 (edited) do you know the facts that were given in court? the girl went back to a hotel room with his friend after having sex with her he then phoned evans who arrived later, crept into the hotel room he had sex with her while his friends filmed it from outside, the girl was too drunk to remember he was even there, it was his friend that supplied this evidencs and evans himself agreed to this account he then let himself out of the hotel by the fire escape the girl could not consent because she was too drunk there is no fabrication of evidence, all the accused agreed what happened in court he thinks all that is OK all 12 of the original jury and two sets of appeal judges say its rape, not quite the Birmingham six is it I read plenty about the case ...I know that Evans friend was found not guilty and also said like Evans that she gave her consent to have sex with them both . So based on what the girl said how can they all agree what happened as you say ? as quite clearly they don't .. How did the jury find one guilty and the other not guilty ... Was she only out of head when she had sex with Evans and not with McDonald ? . Explain to me how if she was out of head and could not give consent how was Mcdonald found not guilty ? No one has or can prove 100 % she was to drunk not to consent and lets not forget that she was such a nice girl that they found traces of cocaine and other drugs that had been using the days before that night out ...it's a piss poor case based on the word a druggie .and you me or no one can prove it to be rape without reasonable doubt as the law asks . Edited November 13, 2014 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ch958 Posted November 13, 2014 Report Share Posted November 13, 2014 what about the killer drunk driver in goal for Plymouth - isn't that worse? No one's bothered about him, or Lee Hughes a few years ago - they've been allowed to continue Evans served a stretch he has the right to move on and he has every right to continue to claim innocence despite conviction. Appeal judges? Don't make me laugh. I'm afraid Miss webster has no authority to comment on any of this given her clear hypocrisy re the Tyson comment and the grey area of morals that is glamour sex photography Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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