Mr Blobby Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 And you my dear sir cannot read properly. Notice the lack of 'heat' and '15' so no I haven't said its a run off. I said it as a way of being fair to both teams. A run off between two riders from the teams. Also another way being a re run where Pontus gets excluded and fined but Morris who is innocent along with the four other Rebel riders still get a chance to win the trophy. I think I have a right to make these statments as thats two times this season the Monarchs have been handed the victory via a referee decision. I have no problem in Edinburgh winning no qualms at all just the mannerism in which it happened. so now it's the refs fault you loss! get over it you were second best! so in your mind it's fine that Aspgren deliberately fell off to try and get a re-run? so lets say there was a re-run and Morris split the monarchs pair and won the rebels the league. would you class that as fair? that one of your riders cheated to win you the league? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 The Somerset Team Manager phoned the Referee on a number of occasions during the meeting but did not when this incident occurred. In my view this was clear indication that he knew some wrong doing had taken place on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 And you my dear sir cannot read properly. Notice the lack of 'heat' and '15' so no I haven't said its a run off. I said it as a way of being fair to both teams. A run off between two riders from the teams. Also another way being a re run where Pontus gets excluded and fined but Morris who is innocent along with the four other Rebel riders still get a chance to win the trophy. I think I have a right to make these statments as thats two times this season the Monarchs have been handed the victory via a referee decision. I have no problem in Edinburgh winning no qualms at all just the mannerism in which it happened. Somerset did have an equal chance to win the trophy. That was called ht15(and the other 29 before). The whole point of the awarding rule was to stop riders deliberately stopping races when behind. If the rules were not in place promotions would happily pay any fine for a rider so the only people punished would be the team whose riders were in the lead, grossly unfair. Punishing the fallen rider actually has nothing to do with awarding a race either. There really is 2 factors, is the race still competitive and has enough of the race been completed. Last night cookie had completed 2 laps when the red light went on so that was true. Morris was nowhere near either monarch, if he had been buzzing around master's back tyre then it would have been a rerun. As he wasn't the ref got it spot on. Rule is the same for deciding the play off as it would have been for the meaningless matches at Glasgow today. Absolutely fantastic performance from the monarchs, you just couldn't have scripted that. I have never been so pleased to hear the word awarded in my life. The party in the bar afterwards was great too, roll on the dinner dance next weekend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 so now it's the refs fault you loss! get over it you were second best! so in your mind it's fine that Aspgren deliberately fell off to try and get a re-run? so lets say there was a re-run and Morris split the monarchs pair and won the rebels the league. would you class that as fair? that one of your riders cheated to win you the league? You are getting over excited Mr B the point he is making is right in his eye's which is fair enough however most off us can see that the correct desicion was made congrats on winning the treble i know we enjoy the banter most off the time and it wasn't that long ago we were celebrating the league title success hopefully we can come back challenging the Monarchs next season and claim our rightful place . Somerset did have an equal chance to win the trophy. That was called ht15(and the other 29 before). The whole point of the awarding rule was to stop riders deliberately stopping races when behind. If the rules were not in place promotions would happily pay any fine for a rider so the only people punished would be the team whose riders were in the lead, grossly unfair. Punishing the fallen rider actually has nothing to do with awarding a race either. There really is 2 factors, is the race still competitive and has enough of the race been completed. Last night cookie had completed 2 laps when the red light went on so that was true. Morris was nowhere near either monarch, if he had been buzzing around master's back tyre then it would have been a rerun. As he wasn't the ref got it spot on. Rule is the same for deciding the play off as it would have been for the meaningless matches at Glasgow today. Absolutely fantastic performance from the monarchs, you just couldn't have scripted that. I have never been so pleased to hear the word awarded in my life. The party in the bar afterwards was great too, roll on the dinner dance next weekend. Couldn't help yourself could you they would not have been meaningless if the weather had not intervened it could have given the club a much needed cash injection with a good crowd that makes it hardly meaningless in a lot of supporters eyes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 so now it's the refs fault you loss! get over it you were second best! so in your mind it's fine that Aspgren deliberately fell off to try and get a re-run? so lets say there was a re-run and Morris split the monarchs pair and won the rebels the league. would you class that as fair? that one of your riders cheated to win you the league? Stop twisting what I say please. I have said nothing of the above. Where have i said its fine what Aspgren did? No where. Yes it would be fair if the innocent rider in Morris had won us the league and Pontus had been excluded and fined. Its true that the ref gave you the win because he basically did. Why should the 5 riders get punished for just 1 riders fault?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 You are getting over excited Mr B the point he is making is right in his eye's which is fair enough however most off us can see that the correct desicion was made congrats on winning the treble i know we enjoy the banter most off the time and it wasn't that long ago we were celebrating the league title success hopefully we can come back challenging the Monarchs next season and claim our rightful place . right behind Edinburgh i pressume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 right behind Edinburgh i pressume Possibly maybe our promotion might surprise us and not sign any dodgy burger munching Germans and build a good team for a change. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Stop twisting what I say please. I have said nothing of the above. Where have i said its fine what Aspgren did? No where. Yes it would be fair if the innocent rider in Morris had won us the league and Pontus had been excluded and fined. Its true that the ref gave you the win because he basically did. Why should the 5 riders get punished for just 1 riders fault?. I honestly give up! We are champions you are not! thank you and good night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmuncie Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Stop twisting what I say please. I have said nothing of the above. Where have i said its fine what Aspgren did? No where. Yes it would be fair if the innocent rider in Morris had won us the league and Pontus had been excluded and fined. Its true that the ref gave you the win because he basically did. Why should the 5 riders get punished for just 1 riders fault?. The point you are missing with that argument though is that Pontus did not lay it down to benefit himself but to benefit the team therefore it is correct that the team should be disadvantaged by the outcome.... Although in this case they weren't actually disadvantaged as the outcome when he decided to try and cheat was the same as the outcome as correctly judged by the ref. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanAndersen Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Stop twisting what I say please. I have said nothing of the above. Where have i said its fine what Aspgren did? No where. Yes it would be fair if the innocent rider in Morris had won us the league and Pontus had been excluded and fined. Its true that the ref gave you the win because he basically did. Why should the 5 riders get punished for just 1 riders fault?. Aspgren was representing the Rebels. His 'decision' affects both him and the team and as such both are punished. Simple.The result was fair. Had the race been rerun and Morris split the Monarchs it would have been an injustice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I have my opinion you lot have yours. Simple as that. I have a right to be angry you have a right to defend and will never agree. See you next season when the mighty Rebels gain deserved revenge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchlad Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Brummie.....Morris could have and should have been excluded in heat 13, if he would maybe engage his brain at some point he could maybe....maybe be a good rider......but headless chicken comes to mind And of course the Somerset Game plan for heat 15.........and their win at all costs At least the some supporters from other team are being gracious and give some congratulation's to The Monarchs and what they have achieved this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotchopper Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Well put gmuncie aspegren had nothing to gain personally by laying down. Of course I only meant meaningless in terms of the result Gazc I sincerely hope Glasgow don't receive any sort of fine for non fulfillment of fixtures as that really helps no one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchlad Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Brummie Rebel Are you really suggesting, that when the Rebels are involved, we ignore the rule book?.......who are you in disguise......Matt Ford? Edited October 26, 2014 by Monarchlad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Well put gmuncie aspegren had nothing to gain personally by laying down. Of course I only meant meaningless in terms of the result Gazc I sincerely hope Glasgow don't receive any sort of fine for non fulfillment of fixtures as that really helps no one. I have read your post the wrong way so apologies for that in terms off fixtures the weather was and still is torrential and this had no chance off running today now that the late dark nights are upon us and the cut off is Friday it is a given that this double header will have no chance off being staged as Ashfield is not blessed with floodlights unfortunately. Hopefully the powers accept that we tried our best to fulfil these fixtures but the weather has beaten us and a fine would probably be the final nail it would be very short-sighted to impose this sanction given that it was out-with our control and trying to complete fixtures this late in the season is rain roulette and needs addressed at the conference with shortening the season. Edited October 26, 2014 by Gazc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Brummie I was with you until you mentioned Morris and innocent in the same sentence. We were disadvantaged in the 2nd leg last year you may recall. You may indeed get revenge next year...I look forward to a 3rd grand final between our 2 great clubs, but for this year we achieved justice for Joe. Tabaka. Speedy return to form for the pint sized Magyar would complete our league winning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Stop twisting what I say please. I have said nothing of the above. Where have i said its fine what Aspgren did? No where. Yes it would be fair if the innocent rider in Morris had won us the league and Pontus had been excluded and fined. Its true that the ref gave you the win because he basically did. Why should the 5 riders get punished for just 1 riders fault?. ive read and posted some sh!te on this forum.... But you have surpassed anything ever lol...you have got yourself a few wooshes though congrats. Edited October 26, 2014 by Arson fire 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bandit59 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 But because of one rider, of which many riders have commited the same offence,a team has been punished. What Pontus did was wrong yes but the decision has also handed the monarchs victory on a plate. Morris should have had another chance on his own with Pontus made to pay. I mean re run without Pontus. Then Pontus fined. At least the result would have been fair either way and Pontus would get his just desserts. As i said riders have done this before. Explain how then? Why should the ref award the race on the second lap in what is the title decider? Ok Pontus was in the wrong but he should have been made to pay not the whole team. If it had been re run with 3 riders is that not fair? Is this not supposed to be a fair sport? Have to be fair to both teams, don't you? Even if it is a run off? You must be a fisherman no 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baba Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 Not a real fisherman but a forum fisherman with all these examples hes of the angler variety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me2 Posted October 27, 2014 Report Share Posted October 27, 2014 I don't think Brummie Rebel is fishing. He's just angry and frustrated and he can't see the wood for the trees. Forum rule 2:12 sub section 3; never post when you're angry and frustrated. My take on it and I was there is that after a monumental effort by both teams, heat 15 was going Edinburghs way. Their riders were disappearing into the distance. Aspgren sees the title slipping away and on the spur of the moment, slides off and sits on the track hoping for a re run. Unfortunately it didn't fool even his own supporters never mind the ref. It was laughably unconvincing and it's not just speculation, the ref actually announced his reason for awarding the race. I don't remember hearing that before. It was a huge effort by both teams, you could cut the tension with a knife and went right down to the wire. Frustration took over. It was a professional foul and the ref spotted it, as did everyone in the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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