Arson fire Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Explain how then? Why should the ref award the race on the second lap in what is the title decider? Ok Pontus was in the wrong but he should have been made to pay not the whole team. If it had been re run with 3 riders is that not fair? Is this not supposed to be a fair sport?how would that be fair to Edinburgh?? Its cheating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Explain how then? Why should the ref award the race on the second lap in what is the title decider? Ok Pontus was in the wrong but he should have been made to pay not the whole team. If it had been re run with 3 riders is that not fair? Is this not supposed to be a fair sport? But he didn't he waited until they had completed the second lap and as per at his discretion rightly awarded the race as he probably seen in his eyes a rider staying down in the hope of a re-run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPLIDD Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Two poor guests when it mattered,the rebels management got that wrong and it cost them dearly Rebels management got it right based on form, if the riders don't turn up you have had it. Three points more over the two legs from our No1 guests would have sealed the deal. Summers should be especially ashamed he only beat Fox all night. No complaints though just galling that it has now happened twice to us in three years. On the plus side two trophies in the cabinet again , second in the table when most experts predicted us to struggle to get in the top six and also finished the season with the top team average.Well done all the riders and management at the OTA on another great season.[/quote I take it you were both at both legs.... I think not !!! As both guests gave there all and did not let themselves or Somerset down in anyway Comments from people who go by what they read on updates and on here donr always tell it exactly How it was and how hard riders gave everything... Pontus did make a wrong decision in heat 15 to leave his bike on the track, but it was probably a heat of the moment thing as tension was running high and after the meeting he did apologise.. But we all know it is wrong... Something else which is totally wrong in this sport is on many occasions I have seen riders being excluded from meetings for throwing 1 punch... So how a rider gets away with throwing 3 and connecting with them to a rider who is sat on the track Il never know... There is no ill feeling on the result as both teams gave there all and it was pure entertainment from heat 1 to heat 30... The atmosphere at both stadiums was electric and credit to all the fans from both clubs for making it so 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 how would that be fair to Edinburgh?? Its cheating. Have to be fair to both teams, don't you? Even if it is a run off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Let's call it gamesmanship. Aspirin saw the season running away and tried a soccer dive hoping for another go for his team mate. Ref allowed him time to clear the track which he failed to do until the bikes were on the 3rd lap and heading his way. He then managed to sprint to the center green. Ref realized the scam and awarded the race. If he put the red lights on earlier this would not have allowed Pointless to have the time to clear,he was not under the fence or his machine.Most refs allow a little time to see if the track clears just like Spud in heat 5. Aspirin chose not to leave when clearly he could. The ref had a very good night throughout and completed his stellar evening with the correct call in the most important heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Brummie - you are probably the only one on the whole thread who thinks you should reward cheating with another bite at the cherry. In my book you should reward the team that was on the receiving end of the cheats. I hope Asprin was fined heavily - I have heard that fines are not announced in case it encourages fans to have a whip round. I wouldn't like to see him riding for any of my teams in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Brummie - you are probably the only one on the whole thread who thinks you should reward cheating with another bite at the cherry. In my book you should reward the team that was on the receiving end of the cheats. I hope Asprin was fined heavily - I have heard that fines are not announced in case it encourages fans to have a whip round. I wouldn't like to see him riding for any of my teams in the future. Edinburgh & Glasgow have you got any more ? . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) it was so obviously pre-meditated would be difficult to argue that point. maybe the ref had already been alerted to the possibility? Very dangerous and totally out of order comment imo, implies outrageous actions with no proof or back up what so ever , you got the decision, now shut up. Brummie - you are probably the only one on the whole thread who thinks you should reward cheating with another bite at the cherry. In my book you should reward the team that was on the receiving end of the cheats. I hope Asprin was fined heavily - I have heard that fines are not announced in case it encourages fans to have a whip round. I wouldn't like to see him riding for any of my teams in the future. I seriously cannot believe what I am reading here.. If your promotion were to sign him I guarantee you would support him after his first big score . Are you illiterate or do you have a problem spelling his name Edited October 26, 2014 by Cliffeboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Let's call it gamesmanship. Aspirin saw the season running away and tried a soccer dive hoping for another go for his team mate. Ref allowed him time to clear the track which he failed to do until the bikes were on the 3rd lap and heading his way. He then managed to sprint to the center green. Ref realized the scam and awarded the race. If he put the red lights on earlier this would not have allowed Pointless to have the time to clear,he was not under the fence or his machine.Most refs allow a little time to see if the track clears just like Spud in heat 5. Aspirin chose not to leave when clearly he could. The ref had a very good night throughout and completed his stellar evening with the correct call in the most important heat. Well in a football dive what happens? The single player gets the reciprications not the whole team. The referee doesn't just award the result to the other team. Same in any sport. A 5-1 won it for the Monarchs but the ref gave it to them. Neither team got the result fairly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) 15.5.2 If the Referee stops a Race and the leading Rider has completed a minimum of 2 laps of the Heat, then the Referee has the sole discretion to order a re-run or award the Heat based upon the Rider’s positions when the Heat was caused to be stopped, with the disqualified Rider being awarded no points and Riders behind in the order being advanced one place. As long as race-leader Cook had completed two laps before the stoppage, the ref has the discretion to award the race. All the best Rob Have to be fair to both teams, don't you? Even if it is a run off? Firstly is was not a run off, it was ht 15 which is subject to the rulebook. The above previous post by ls fully explains the situation, namely Craig Cook had completed two laps before Michael Breckon stopped the race because of Aspgren failing to clear the track. As this has been pointed out several times, you are either deliberately trolling, or have insufficient mental capacity to comprehend the facts or you are in catatonic shock after Birmingham City's 8 - 0 horsing at home by Bournemouth at St Andrew's yesterday Edited October 26, 2014 by cyclone 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Edinburgh & Peterborough have you got any more ? . Sorry Gazc I think you got the spelling wrong but I've fixed it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Bleachers Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 We have had the benefit of ballsy ref decisions in 2 final heats this year,so I would cut Brummie some slack. Last nights was a no doubter. No complaint from the rebs on 3rd bend who accepted it with class. Don't think it was pretty meditated just a desperate act facing defeat and frustration having gone so close. Let's leave it there. Somerset organization would not stoop to that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I seriously cannot believe what I am reading here. You living in the land of make believe then? What's your problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gazc Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Sorry Gazc I think you got the spelling wrong but I've fixed it for you. Aye Peterborough is really difficult to mistake for Glasgow you would need to go through the initial ritual to support the famous Glasgow Tigers currently 2nd best team in Scotland but it is only a temporary blip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Think it was the red body colours that confused you and of course a panther is very similar to a tiger!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliffeboy Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 You living in the land of make believe then? What's your problem? No problem here at all just pointing out what I said if your promotion signed him you would support him, and also you can`t spell Aspgren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Firstly is was not a run off, it was ht 15 which is subject to the rulebook. The above previous post by ls fully explains the situation, namely Craig Cook had completed two laps before Michael Breckon stopped the race because of Aspgren failing to clear the track. As this has been pointed out several times, you are either deliberately trolling, or have insufficient mental capacity to comprehend the facts or you are in catatonic shock after Birmingham City's 8 - 0 horsing at home by Bournemouth at St Andrew's yesterday And you my dear sir cannot read properly. Notice the lack of 'heat' and '15' so no I haven't said its a run off. I said it as a way of being fair to both teams. A run off between two riders from the teams. Also another way being a re run where Pontus gets excluded and fined but Morris who is innocent along with the four other Rebel riders still get a chance to win the trophy. I think I have a right to make these statments as thats two times this season the Monarchs have been handed the victory via a referee decision. I have no problem in Edinburgh winning no qualms at all just the mannerism in which it happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucks Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 No problem here at all just pointing out what I said if your promotion signed him you would support him, and also you can`t spell Aspgren. it,s spelt lossy filthy lowdown cheat aspgren hope he resign.s for rebils a match made in heaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willowman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Edinburgh have been the stand out team this season and have deservedly won a clean sweep of team trophies . Bar the Fours of course. You will never guess who won! Only the seond best team in 2014. Oops. That will teach me to read and digest first before engaging my keyboard. Sorry Paulco, read straight past the 'team' bit. Scrub the above. Edited October 26, 2014 by Willowman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Two times - nice to hear it. I also seem to have in my head a picture of Adam Ellis sitting it out in the LC Final at Ippo!! That was awarded as a 5-1 to the Monarchs as well - probably happened same bend / same lap as yesterday. But hey it was only heat 12 so is that better? So the refs must love us. Or playing possum is becoming more of a regular occurrence nowadays. If so then the refs have to stamp it out and what better way than by awarding the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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