Fromafar Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I was just wondering as if it was two heats, why did the whole team have to suffer from one rider? Plus isn't an awarded race only on the last lap? Don't mean anything by this just wondering.Race can be awarded if 2 laps have been completed,and that is what happened last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Race can be awarded if 2 laps have been completed,and that is what happened last night. But the Ref waited for the 3rd lap to start, so he was in the wrong, the lights should have gone on straight away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 15.5.2 If the Referee stops a Race and the leading Rider has completed a minimum of 2 laps of the Heat, then the Referee has the sole discretion to order a re-run or award the Heat based upon the Rider’s positions when the Heat was caused to be stopped, with the disqualified Rider being awarded no points and Riders behind in the order being advanced one place. As long as race-leader Cook had completed two laps before the stoppage, the ref has the discretion to award the race. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young51 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) But the Ref waited for the 3rd lap to start, so he was in the wrong, the lights should have gone on straight away. No he wasnt Starman..Pointless was in no immediate danger from the other riders..hence no red light.He was given the opportunity to remove his arse from the track..but he looked up and choose not to..it was a professional foul to which the ref quite rightly said..you're out!It was the only decision a half decent ref who actually knows his stuff could have made Edited October 26, 2014 by Young51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spt82 Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I was just wondering as if it was two heats, why did the whole team have to suffer from one rider? Plus isn't an awarded race only on the last lap? Don't mean anything by this just wondering.Why should the whole team have to suffer from one rider, that's like saying why should a football team suffer when one player gets sent off. Don't talk nonsense, it's quite possible he was under instructions to do this as well (I really hope not though) but he did it to late anyway, should have tried it on the third and fourth bend on the first lap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Fair enough but i still don't get why The whole ream had to suffer and not just Pontus? Even if he got fined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 But the Ref waited for the 3rd lap to start, so he was in the wrong, the lights should have gone on straight away.He was waiting for Pontus to finish his cup of tea.Pontus should have been fined for unsporting conduct IMO ,also some of the Rebel fans were unhappy with his actions (Pontus )as a Monarch could have fell or E/F with would have gave Somerset a win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monarchlad Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Aspegrin soon run when the bikes were coming round 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Fair enough but i still don't get why The whole ream had to suffer and not just Pontus? Even if he got fined. it was so obviously pre-meditated would be difficult to argue that point. maybe the ref had already been alerted to the possibility? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 it was so obviously pre-meditated would be difficult to argue that point. maybe the ref had already been alerted to the possibility? But because of one rider, of which many riders have commited the same offence,a team has been punished. What Pontus did was wrong yes but the decision has also handed the monarchs victory on a plate. Morris should have had another chance on his own with Pontus made to pay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewy Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Reading the posts on this thread it does seem the rebels tried to cheat in heat 15 i find this hard to believe;-)!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Reading the posts on this thread it does seem the rebels tried to cheat in heat 15 i find this hard to believe;-)!!!!! Cheating , act of desperation , call it what you will , the ref had enough about him to award the race . Like diving in football , this seems to have become an accepted tactic . Seen it too many times where a rider goes down and the current state of the race is the depending factor on whether he clears the track or not . More refs should follow Mr Breckon's example . 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 But because of one rider, of which many riders have commited the same offence,a team has been punished. What Pontus did was wrong yes but the decision has also handed the monarchs victory on a plate. Morris should have had another chance on his own with Pontus made to pay. But Morris wasn't even getting any closer to the monarchs pairing they were actually pulling away from him. Aspgren seen this and just layed it down in the middle of the bend and stayed there hoping for a re-run the ref realised what he was doing and awarded the race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Cheating , act of desperation , call it what you will , the ref had enough about him to award the race . Like diving in football , this seems to have become an accepted tactic . Seen it too many times where a rider goes down and the current state of the race is the depending factor on whether he clears the track or not . More refs should follow Mr Breckon's example . The ref did the right thing. It was the most important race of the season and cheating (if that's what he did) is not acceptable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 Reading the posts on this thread it does seem the rebels tried to cheat in heat 15 i find this hard to believe;-)!!!!!Like has been said the Ref made the correct decision using his discretion to award the race.Any rider falling May be injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 But Morris wasn't even getting any closer to the monarchs pairing they were actually pulling away from him. Aspgren seen this and just layed it down in the middle of the bend and stayed there hoping for a re-run the ref realised what he was doing and awarded the race. I mean re run without Pontus. Then Pontus fined. At least the result would have been fair either way and Pontus would get his just desserts. As i said riders have done this before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted October 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I mean re run without Pontus. Then Pontus fined. At least the result would have been fair either way and Pontus would get his just desserts. As i said riders have done this before. your clutching at straws 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 I mean re run without Pontus. Then Pontus fined. At least the result would have been fair either way and Pontus would get his just desserts. As i said riders have done this before.It was a fair result by the way it was handled by the Ref. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) I mean re run without Pontus. Then Pontus fined. At least the result would have been fair either way and Pontus would get his just desserts. As i said riders have done this before. but he tried to stay down for the ' team ' surely?? And you win as a team, lose as a team. Why should Edinburgh be penalised?? Edited October 26, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomersetBlue Posted October 26, 2014 Report Share Posted October 26, 2014 your clutching at straws Explain how then? Why should the ref award the race on the second lap in what is the title decider? Ok Pontus was in the wrong but he should have been made to pay not the whole team. If it had been re run with 3 riders is that not fair? Is this not supposed to be a fair sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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