Pirates Of Poole Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) I cant see how this is going to work fairly! So if they are looking at a 34 point limit for top 5, rider number 6 can come from this years pool and will remain on 3 but average will change during the season. Rider 7 will come from 10 down from this years final listing. That means the top 10 can be used, looking at the list there are 6 riders I would say suit this - Blackbird, Kerr, Garrity, Newman, Worrall and Wright are of an equal standard but that is only 6 riders and I can see 2 other clubs having weaker riders. Now if they included Birks + another then that would probably equal it out but only if those extra riders can join a team at 6 on a 3.00 average. The other option could be to put the top 10 listed into the main top 5 but can come in on a 3.00 but there rides are going to be tougher and average will increase? Edited October 24, 2014 by Pirates Of Poole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Let's see if Newman ,Garrity, Kerr and Worrall are given team places if they are not in the draft . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Let's see if Newman ,Garrity, Kerr and Worrall are given team places if they are not in the draft .of course they will, surely its part of the draft system ideology that they have to be because it would then be a pointless exercise to improve our up and coming riders  Cant believe you doubt british speedway 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 In no particular order and on the basis that there will be only one FTR next season the following 12 riders should be the first to be considered. Â Richie Worrall Kyle Howarth Robert Lambert Richard Lawson Jason Garrity Lewis Kerr Kyle Newman Steve Worrall Ashley Birks Charles Wright Josh Auty Lewis Blackbird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Richard Lawson? :/ Have to include Cook if you're going to include Lawson who is older, has a higher average and has more experience. Edited October 24, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 In no particular order and on the basis that there will be only one FTR next season the following 12 riders should be the first to be considered.  Richie Worrall Kyle Howarth Robert Lambert Richard Lawson Jason Garrity Lewis Kerr Kyle Newman Steve Worrall Ashley Birks Charles Wright Josh Auty Lewis Blackbird  Surely if the point of FTR's is to cultivate the next generation of potential Team GB riders, then we have to look at the younger end of the spectrum? What would that list look like in AGE ORDER?  Again, compare this list with the top 12 Polish u21's and it really does highlight how impoverished we are in this country when it comes to young talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) In no particular order and on the basis that there will be only one FTR next season the following 12 riders should be the first to be considered. Â Richie Worrall Kyle Howarth Robert Lambert Richard Lawson Jason Garrity Lewis Kerr Kyle Newman Steve Worrall Ashley Birks Charles Wright Josh Auty Lewis Blackbird Richard Lawson - really?? He has an EL average of 6.5 as wasn't far away from being Lakeside's highest average rider! Edited October 24, 2014 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 The only way to judge its success (or not) will be in 3-5 years. How many GB riders will be genuine world class, helping team GBR in the SWC and active on the world speedway stage. I really hope we get some world class riders out of the draft.But i think that it will have been a success if we can get a group of good standard Elite league riders out of it to replace the not really commited miss a meeting at the drop of a hat R/R causeing european riders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I posted this in another thread but seems a lot more relevant here: Â I thought the point of the FTR system was to help riders who have shown great potential, but haven't quite had enough rides to make the jump to the next level. I don't think where they were in their career, premier league or otherwise, is really that important. All that matters is that they were British riders who couldn't cut it in the Elite League before and now they are British riders who quite possibly could cut it in the Elite League next season. Surely that is nothing more than a resounding success? Â There will always be riders who rise to the top like Kyle Newman, if there weren't then why have FTR at all? We can't moan because some of them have rose to the challenge and others haven't. Â I the FTR system continues next season but with 1 British rider at reserve instead of 2. The FTR system should be an incentive to perform well in the NL and PL to show you are ready to give it a go in the Elite League, not a free pay cheque for any British youngster with a speedway bike. Â I think the FTR system, although not perfect, has proven itself to be worthy of more than just the cost cutting purposes it was really bought in for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 I find it so annoying, that something so critical as the FTR system, wasn't given the importance it should have and all the problems and ideas given a full airing before being implemented. Britain is now looked upon as a poor nation in regards to nourishing young talent. and can see the issues our system generates. We have some decent young riders that need to be protected, taught and encouraged to fulfil their true potential. In another country ( Poland eg.) these young riders would be looked after, but here they're used as a stop gap for cheaper promotions. We are governed by load of rules and objections, because clubs are afraid another promoter will get one up, instead of concentrating on the improvement of the young rider. To have one man responsible for the grading of these riders is a travesty and clearly outlines the lack of importance the BSPA put into the system. Â Unless the FTR scheme is given the full backing of all Clubs, all Promotions and all leagues, it is destined to fail, and with it, any hope of Britain ever being considered a major speedway nation like we once were. well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 In no particular order and on the basis that there will be only one FTR next season the following 12 riders should be the first to be considered.  Richie Worrall Kyle Howarth Robert Lambert Richard Lawson Jason Garrity Lewis Kerr Kyle Newman Steve Worrall Ashley Birks Charles Wright Josh Auty Lewis Blackbird  Need an age limit on there for me. Under 25 yrs old at the very highest.  The rest are just decent British riders and a different solution, other than the FTD, needs to be introduced to protect there places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 1 fast track reserve and at least 1 Brit somewhere in the team with a reduction as usual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Â Need an age limit on there for me. Under 25 yrs old at the very highest. Â The rest are just decent British riders and a different solution, other than the FTD, needs to be introduced to protect there places. Not too sure about the age limit. Some riders come to Speedway late from other disciplines, e.g. motocross and adapt and progress more quickly than an 18 year old with no racing experience. I agree that in an ideal world we would progress youngsters to have a very long career at the top level, but having a 25 year upper age limit may mean overlooking a potential star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 If what I'm hearing is true Phil Morris wont be involved. And not because he was sacked. I'm hearing he has more integrity than you and the 4 people who have liked your post give him credit for. Why don't you tell us what you're hearing? Â I would love to know the full story of how Benji got into the Pirates team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 What about limiting the FTD to just position 7 in the team, then exclude the the top riders from the 2014 FTD and are all just given their converted PL averages and can be placed in the remaining 1-6? As you can see below, the best 2014 FTD riders PL av's compare favorably to the riders who 'missed out' in 2014 so throwing them all together for 2015 may not be so bad? Would King's Lynn pick Lewis Kerr on a 4.15 average? I think they would! Newman would be a steal on a 3.52 whilst Swindon could get Ashley Birks back on his old EL average which correct me if I'm wrong is around 3 (he has had terrible injury troubles). I think that this feels quite fair? Â Kyle Newman - PL 5.86 = 3.52 CON EL Lewis Blackbird - PL 6.30 = 3.78 CON EL Lewis Kerr - PL 6.92 = 4.15 CON EL Stevie Worrall - PL 8.07 = 4.84 CON EL Jason Garrity - PL 6.19 = 3.71 CON EL Charles Wright - PL 6.92 = 4.15 CON EL Kyle Howarth - PL 6.19 Ashley Birks - PL 5.65 Josh Auty - PL 6.50 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Why don't you tell us what you're hearing? Â I would love to know the full story of how Benji got into the Pirates team. Â Â Me too. SCB seems to think Morris has integrity, but if he was in charge of the draft list (and monthly alterations) the issue falls firmly at his feet. Would love to hear the details surrounding it because it served no purpose whatsoever. Certainly the draft situation with Benji lacks any integrity - or sense, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Turner Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Me too. SCB seems to think Morris has integrity, but if he was in charge of the draft list (and monthly alterations) the issue falls firmly at his feet. Would love to hear the details surrounding it because it served no purpose whatsoever. Certainly the draft situation with Benji lacks any integrity - or sense, Â Speedway has a horrible culture of "keeping it in the family" and it seems some people are assigned roles just for the hell of being given a role. There needs to be a criteria set out to "score" riders and that score needs to be determined mathematically based on fact, not on any one persons opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Why don't you tell us what you're hearing? Â I would love to know the full story of how Benji got into the Pirates team. Basically he was over ruled on a number of things. Rumours suggest he has quit being in charge if the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barrow boy Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Richard Lawson? :/ Have to include Cook if you're going to include Lawson who is older, has a higher average and has more experience. I was going to but decided against it because he has obviously already made the grade by taking part in a GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 Basically he was over ruled on a number of things. Rumours suggest he has quit being in charge if the draft. Thanks for the response. Beggars belief that he can be "over ruled" though doesn't it? Surely if he's in charge then nobody else should be able to "over rule" him? Pretty good example of why an independent ruling body will probably never be implemented...... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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