castrolargh Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I was all for this last season and thought it did ok but this year I'm not so sure. How can Newman/blackbird to name 2 be in the draft system still. They were scoring points for fun and will do again.Because they, amongst others have improved during last season, and probably will do again next season.If that happens, the draft reserves system will have been a success so far as it is helping to improve british riders by guaranteeing them a reserve slot all season.Hopefully , the season after next some of these riders will move into the teams 1-5 , allowing fresh faces to come in at the bottom end . And so on .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 What does it matter where they are ranked in tier 1? It determined on the order of the round 2 pick. Kerr was seeded 1 Kings Lynn protected him therefore they had last pick in round 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liam Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 It determined on the order of the round 2 pick. Kerr was seeded 1 Kings Lynn protected him therefore they had last pick in round 2.Just saw that. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Just saw that. CheersTerrible rule try to produce riders they always have at Lynn, give young uns a go such a shame Rose is not at the track he should be.Again this fast track idea is great but really Kerr,Newman, Auty, need to be pushed into cutting it in the 1/5 Rose as an example has been penalised surely he would rather be at Lynn.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Now that the Fast Track Riders draft is completed and teams know who they have got, it is now time to play that favourite BBC game and fill in the Blankety Blanks and get their cheque books and pens for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Terrible rule try to produce riders they always have at Lynn, give young uns a go such a shame Rose is not at the track he should be.Again this fast track idea is great but really Kerr,Newman, Auty, need to be pushed into cutting it in the 1/5 Rose as an example has been penalised surely he would rather be at Lynn.? Â Agree that Rose would want to ride for Lynn, BUT does push him to get used to another track which will benefit him in the long run. It's all experience end of the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonian Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I'm not one to believe all this about Matt Ford, Poole & the BSPA, but how is Newman being graded at 6 in tier 1? And then giving Poole 2nd pick in tier 2, when they clearly have the best FTD from last season already protected? Â I agree with a lot of other posters, it should of been graded on their EL averages (which they should of assessed last season) and not PL averages. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Can anyone (Heathens supporter?) confirm if Starke is riding for Cradley again in 2015?? Â 'Cos with their change of race night to Wednesdays at Perry Barr, Poole may not have made the best choice!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I'm not one to believe all this about Matt Ford, Poole & the BSPA, but how is Newman being graded at 6 in tier 1? And then giving Poole 2nd pick in tier 2, when they clearly have the best FTD from last season already protected? Â I agree with a lot of other posters, it should of been graded on their EL averages (which they should of assessed last season) and not PL averages. Â I take it that is shorthand for 'have'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Can anyone (Heathens supporter?) confirm if Starke is riding for Cradley again in 2015?? Â 'Cos with their change of race night to Wednesdays at Perry Barr, Poole may not have made the best choice!! Doesn't EL get priority over NL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 What would the draw order have been like had there been no riders ranked? Â Instead picks would have been decided solely upon the teams finishing position, and any team which chooses to protect a rider simply goes to the bottom of the pile in the 2nd round, again in order of the previous seasons standings - last go first. Â It is simply not acceptable for the league champions to keep their first choice FTD rider from their title winning season, and then get 2nd pick in the next round?!?! If you cannot see that then you are crazy. A draft is meant to be fair, a way of evening up a competition to keep it interesting for all teams. This is not a draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) I think it was fair. Maybe one or two shouldve been higher on the list but that's mainly based on opinion. The reserve pairings look a lot lot closer this year. Doesn't EL get priority over NLDepends if he is a Cradley asset or not? Edited November 26, 2014 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I don't get it this year,surely the ftr should be youngsters like last season.by including some of the riders in the first pick who i think should be in the 1 to 5 of teams.won't this leave a shortage of Brits so the 1 to 5 will be full of foreigners.how's this fast tracking youngsters like clegg greaves perry Morris etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I don't get it this year,surely the ftr should be youngsters like last season.by including some of the riders in the first pick who i think should be in the 1 to 5 of teams.won't this leave a shortage of Brits so the 1 to 5 will be full of foreigners.how's this fast tracking youngsters like clegg greaves perry Morris etc It needs to be competitive though or what's the point? I think it needed some more experienced riders in it to make that happen. No point in Garrity and Newman winning reserve heats by miles. They will now get tougher reserve heats and tougher heats when racing with 2nd strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Agree that Rose would want to ride for Lynn, BUT does push him to get used to another track which will benefit him in the long run. It's all experience end of the dayI do agree certainly Panther on the learning aspect i liked the day when Bettsey Lee, were part of the furniture same great riders the team were built around those great favourites. Edited November 26, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I don't get it this year,surely the ftr should be youngsters like last season.by including some of the riders in the first pick who i think should be in the 1 to 5 of teams.won't this leave a shortage of Brits so the 1 to 5 will be full of foreigners.how's this fast tracking youngsters like clegg greaves perry Morris etc  The ideal solution would be to have A riders in the PL's 1-5, and the B riders in the reserves berths. Unfortunately there's no draft in the PL (again), so many of the places will be filled by the Covattis, Pavlovas, Dilgers, Barretts, etc meaning a lot of last year's draft reserves will go back to only riding in the NL making absolutely no progress at all. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 As expected - the actual draw turns into a farce - how can a team get the best FTR from last year and then first pick in the second round and Poole also get Newman and second pick - a total farce!!!Give bloody Poole the title now,how ridiculous!!!! Why can't we have fairness!!!!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 The ideal solution would be to have A riders in the PL's 1-5, and the B riders in the reserves berths. Unfortunately there's no draft in the PL (again), so many of the places will be filled by the Covattis, Pavlovas, Dilgers, Barretts, etc meaning a lot of last year's draft reserves will go back to only riding in the NL making absolutely no progress at all.Great post. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 The Draft idea comes from America. it has been used for many years. The Idea is for the lower placed teams to have first pick of the cream. When the cream has already been protected by their parent club, the lower clubs lose out. thus the idea of a draft system becomes nullinvoid  Now had the BSPA wanted the scheme to give clubs the opportunity to protect their assets, they could have done so. BUT retain both selections to be done by league finish positions. This would have given the lower positioned clubs the advantage the Draft should have given them, instead of always putting what Poole want first...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Looking at the draft as a whole it is much more balanced and even this year, relatively little to choose between the strongest and weakest rider in each category compared to last season. Trouble is its been spoiled by the obvious corruption which sees PL averages only used to rank the category one riders, same old same old which will only get worse now that Pairman is on the SCB. Also looks like there were incentives for one or two teams to ignore certain riders so that Poole ended up with Starke. Having seen him cheat for Berwick live on Sky a couple of years ago and also at the NLRC that year he should at least fit right in at Wimborne Road. Â Good luck to Lewis at Swindon, I'm sure he will do very well and continue to blossom. Welcome to Joe, hopefully having Lynn as a home track will suit him a bit more and he can kick on. Would like to see Tom Stokes given a run out whenever Joe is unavailable as I think he is in for a big season. Would still have preferred to see Rose protected rather than Kerr, we would probably have ended up with Swindon's pairing which to me looks a bit stronger than ours. Â Overall a much better draft than last year, just a shame about the predictable fiddling. Edited November 26, 2014 by Gordon Bennett 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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