Bostonian Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I think the fast track draft has been a success on the whole. A few teething problems are obviously needing to be sorted but on the whole I think the idea is great and some riders have really benefited from the system. Others are prehaps not up to scratch but with there being 2 less EL teams next year, plus adding in Birks, Auty, Roynon & Wright and there will be a good pool of young british riders for the draft and guys like Greaves, Halsey etc can be re-introduced in a few years. If teams such as Coventry want to promote Garrity into their top 5 then thats great, and it's what its all about. James Sargeant is a great example of the FTD working, seems to of really improved over the past few months, even beating the best draft rider IMO (Newman) on Monday night on his home track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymondbudd Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 The only way to judge its success (or not) will be in 3-5 years. How many GB riders will be genuine world class, helping team GBR in the SWC and active on the world speedway stage. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 (edited) The only way to judge its success (or not) will be in 3-5 years. How many GB riders will be genuine world class, helping team GBR in the SWC and active on the world speedway stage.I agree,but let's face it it's just a cost cutting exercise for British Promoters they are not interested in the riders future. Edited October 23, 2014 by Fromafar 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 What were the factors which meant Robert Lambert was not on the FTD list last time around? Was it simply down his earning potential being restricted? Had he been as a FTD then he'd have been able to ride in the PL as well, which IMO would have aided his development more than a season in the main body of the EL, especially when he's been riding mainly at 4 which is horrendous when away from home. I think he's done well this year btw, just wonder whether Lynn and Robert would make the same choices again if they had the chance? He's the brightest talent we've had in ages, and I think we need to nurture his talent carefully. Glad he's at Lynn : ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 What were the factors which meant Robert Lambert was not on the FTD list last time around? Was it simply down his earning potential being restricted? I am sure i read it was the lads choice. Plus i believe the limited wage played a big part in it too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 For me only one FTD rider position + 1 British rider at reserve. FTD riders to be graded on their EL average where possible, not one man's decisions as per this season. Any new additions without an EL average to be graded on their NL average until 8 meetings rode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I am sure i read it was the lads choice. Plus i believe the limited wage played a big part in it too. It was a joint decision between KL and the Lamberts by all accounts. Having a 3 pointer in the msin body helped with the 32 point team building. I doubt those who scored well stayed on the 150 a meeting originally quoted.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 What were the factors which meant Robert Lambert was not on the FTD list last time around? It was a joint decision between KL and the Lamberts by all accounts. Having a 3 pointer in the msin body helped with the 32 point team building. I doubt those who scored well stayed on the 150 a meeting originally quoted.... For one thing, he would only have been 15 at the start of the season, so couldn't be included on the list of Draft riders that the teams had to choose from. Kings Lynn knew a good prospect when they saw one and were prepared to wait a couple of weeks beyond the start of the season for him to get to his 16th birthday and still as good as build a team around him and his 3 point bargain average. My fear now is that as he's been in the EL 1-5 and has earned his GSA, he'll be disqualified from ever becoming a FTR again and will have to do things the old fashioned way in the main body of the team, maybe even having to dumb down to PL level. Having seen Josh Auty show promise and then get knocked back, I'd hate to see the same thing happen to Lambert. Hopefully, Kings Lynn will find Lambert a decent Polish team to ride for so that his development can continue, so that he doesn't stagnate the way that Craig Cook, Josh Auty and Ben Barker have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 I find it so annoying, that something so critical as the FTR system, wasn't given the importance it should have and all the problems and ideas given a full airing before being implemented. Britain is now looked upon as a poor nation in regards to nourishing young talent. and can see the issues our system generates. We have some decent young riders that need to be protected, taught and encouraged to fulfil their true potential. In another country ( Poland eg.) these young riders would be looked after, but here they're used as a stop gap for cheaper promotions. We are governed by load of rules and objections, because clubs are afraid another promoter will get one up, instead of concentrating on the improvement of the young rider. To have one man responsible for the grading of these riders is a travesty and clearly outlines the lack of importance the BSPA put into the system. Unless the FTR scheme is given the full backing of all Clubs, all Promotions and all leagues, it is destined to fail, and with it, any hope of Britain ever being considered a major speedway nation like we once were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Let's just hope Phil Morris is nowhere near the draft in 2015 as he proved how corrupt he was last season & should be sacked. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitusTokio Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Let's just hope Phil Morris is nowhere near the draft in 2015 as he proved how corrupt he was last season & should be sacked. Bit harsh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Think assets in the draft should continue to be protected next year as look at the sides that have now decided to have a NL team next year or brought assets. Been a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 In theory a germ of a good idea. Obviously a good few riders have progressed well this season and the FTR scheme must have played a part in that. However, I suspect little thought was given to how the top few FTR boys would be placed in 2015 and the effect their introduction would have on averages. Also, sad to say, you just know promoters will be thinking how best to exploit the system to get themselves one up on their rivals. The rule changing this year to allow Poole to sign Compton was shameless and (whilst his introduction had little bearing on the destination of the championship) showed how promoters couldn't really give a fiddlers about the bigger picture as long as they can steal a march on everyone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Let's just hope Phil Morris is nowhere near the draft in 2015 as he proved how corrupt he was last season & should be sacked. If what I'm hearing is true Phil Morris wont be involved. And not because he was sacked. I'm hearing he has more integrity than you and the 4 people who have liked your post give him credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 If what I'm hearing is true Phil Morris wont be involved. And not because he was sacked. I'm hearing he has more integrity than you and the 4 people who have liked your post give him credit for. Then he should've said so when criticism was laid at his door like anyone would've done. His name was on those decisions & if it wasn't him he should've came out & had his say. By saying nothing he will always be tarnished by it. Bit harsh? Is it as he made some ridiculous decisions on gradings during the season & the worst one that helped out a certain club that he guest team managed weeks before. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 If what I'm hearing is true Phil Morris wont be involved. And not because he was sacked. I'm hearing he has more integrity than you and the 4 people who have liked your post give him credit for. Integrity? Dont make me laugh. There was no explanation given why one rider was moved down the list so drastically. Without any real reason at all. His name was attached to it so he SHOULD bear the brunt of the blame. IF he is no longer involved maybe he wants to make the position clear as to why changes were allowed to happen. Less people may be critical of his decision then. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted October 23, 2014 Report Share Posted October 23, 2014 Integrity? Dont make me laugh. There was no explanation given why one rider was moved down the list so drastically. Without any real reason at all. His name was attached to it so he SHOULD bear the brunt of the blame. IF he is no longer involved maybe he wants to make the position clear as to why changes were allowed to happen. Less people may be critical of his decision then. If my name was on something & I was getting pressure put on me to make certain decisions I was uncomfortable with I'd walk away from it & make sure people knew. By saying nothing Phil Morris will be judged on them & that is only right & proper. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 If what I'm hearing is true Phil Morris wont be involved. And not because he was sacked. I'm hearing he has more integrity than you and the 4 people who have liked your post give him credit for. That's Good. As far as I'm concerned people are judged on performance. Be it a Promoter, a Rider, a Team Manager or someone involved in organisation. Having a ultra-responsible position of in charge of FTR grading, Morris had to be whiter than white. By allowing the indiscretions to happen, that should have been under his total control, and therefore he takes full responsibility. If that was not the case then he should have declared his position. By saying nothing and excepting the flack, he has ridiculed himself and everything he does in future. Having once thought, he was a decent fellow, I now, because of what has happened, think he's the lowest of the low and there should no place in sport for people who can manipulate like that. A man doesn't gain integrity by standing down from a position, to me his only salvation would be to come out with the truth. Only then would he gain back some of the respect he once had.......... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 That's Good. As far as I'm concerned people are judged on performance. Be it a Promoter, a Rider, a Team Manager or someone involved in organisation. Having a ultra-responsible position of in charge of FTR grading, Morris had to be whiter than white. By allowing the indiscretions to happen, that should have been under his total control, and therefore he takes full responsibility. If that was not the case then he should have declared his position. By saying nothing and excepting the flack, he has ridiculed himself and everything he does in future. Having once thought, he was a decent fellow, I now, because of what has happened, think he's the lowest of the low and there should no place in sport for people who can manipulate like that. A man doesn't gain integrity by standing down from a position, to me his only salvation would be to come out with the truth. Only then would he gain back some of the respect he once had.......... And I'm sure he thinks that the "protected assets" debacle was fair too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted October 24, 2014 Report Share Posted October 24, 2014 And I'm sure he thinks that the "protected assets" debacle was fair too! Meaning What..?? He was elected into a position to see that the FTR rules were adhered too, not to manipulate them to suit whoever...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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