orion Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) You haven't, try reading others posts. Yea sorry just read them . if that is the case then that would be quite fair . The key thing this year is pool A riders are more equal . Edited November 20, 2014 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 What happens if a club buys one of these riders before the draft ?  That could be interesting. They would have to act quick.   Kyle was the standout performer last season in the Elite League  Blackbird was better and Kerr and Garrity were equal IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Josh Auty should clean up at reserve. Proven EL rider. Got to be first pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Poole deserve 1st picks. Â They finished top of the league and won the play-offs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Wonder who will get the short straw, & end up at Leicester ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruno Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 If I'd read this thread earlier I'd be up the pub now.stressed and confused!4blokes going round in circles should be simple shouldn't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Â That could be interesting. They would have to act quick. Â Â Â Blackbird was better and Kerr and Garrity were equal IMHO. Who Rose to the for when the pressure was on , who scored the most points & who got the most double figure scores?. Â Kyle Newman was the answer to all 3 & was more consistent over the course of the season. Â I know it's about opinions but Kyle would be my first choice everyday long, even with the new riders added for 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior fan Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I think the way its been set up this year the number 6 will get one of the number 7s rides , the number 6 like Auty etc that are proven PL riders even heat leaders will clean up the number 7s like Greaves and they will be lucky to score a point and lose massive amounts of money, hope there are on gaurantees. Â Junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Who Rose to the for when the pressure was on , who scored the most points & who got the most double figure scores?. Â Kyle Newman was the answer to all 3 & was more consistent over the course of the season. Â I know it's about opinions but Kyle would be my first choice everyday long, even with the new riders added for 2015. Â Â True its about opinions plus Blackbird was highest placed (averaged) rider over the whole season on averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I think they take into account all leagues when deciding placements for the draft. I think Auty will be number 1 then they will go by the list they finished with last season but fit in Birks, Roynon and Boxall where they see fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) Last season the draft except for Garrity and Newman was by and large from the previous seasons NL riders, this season it seems to be from experienced British riders in Auty, Birks, Boxhall, Roynon, Newman, Blackbird, S Worrall, and why not C.Wright, Cook, Lawson, Howarth ? they are all of similar experience, and if its going on experience can someone explain the difference between R.Worrall and S.Worrall ? apart from about 8 minutes in there age For me all of these riders should be in the full 1 to 5, with the next round of riders being FTR,s. being 6s and 7s ie Starke, Lambert, Morris, Sarjeant, Kerr, Nielsen, Greenwood, Halsey, Jacobs, Branford, and then the B draft, off the top of my head, Clegg, Hopwood, Greaves, Bates, Rose, Perry, Compton, Carr, Greenwood. There has to be progression within the FT system otherwise the whole thing will get clogged up, and the only thing left will be to save money. To make the whole thing succeed it really needs the PL to be brought on board with this, maybe encourage them by offering British reserves from the NL something like an average reduction of 25% or 50% not great but at least some incentive. Edited November 20, 2014 by greyhoundp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Grading 10 riders who are all of very similar ability won't work. You can make a case for all of them being at number 1. So if we use something statistical like PL average how is Roynon so much weaker than Worrall that means he gets his club the first pick (Starke or Rose) yet Steve gets his club the last pick of Bates for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 At the moment everyone is assuming that all those riders named so far as fast trackers have actually accepted the invitation!!!! Â I have it on very good authority that at least one of the proposed Grade A fast trackers has not yet given his ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Lewis Kerr said last season on a podcast (think it was an EDP one) that he was already planning on moving up into the main body of the team in 2015.  You've got to consider the £££ situation for these boys, It would make sense for the Pot A riders to get more £££ than the Pot B if only to encourage them to stay in the FTD programme for another season. They've got to make a living, and need the £££ to keep investing in better equipment if they to progress which after all is the whole point.  Back to Kerr, IF he does move out of the FTD programme, I still think Lynn should keep him. Would Robert Lambert be able to move into his FTD Pot 1 berth? He would CLEAN UP riding at reserve!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014   Back to Kerr, IF he does move out of the FTD programme, I still think Lynn should keep him. Would Robert Lambert be able to move into his FTD Pot 1 berth? He would CLEAN UP riding at reserve!!!  I doubt Lambert would want to get £40 a point either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I dont think Lambert would necessarily clean up either, especially with the stronger reserves this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Its ok one or two claiming they're going to move up but what if nobody wants them in the 1-5? With teams being limited to 2 riders over 7, a points limit of 34 and only 1 rider over 9 and never few in the 8's it will mean anyone signing a 4 point rider (as most of the draft riders are) will struggle to build to the points limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Its ok one or two claiming they're going to move up but what if nobody wants them in the 1-5? With teams being limited to 2 riders over 7, a points limit of 34 and only 1 rider over 9 and never few in the 8's it will mean anyone signing a 4 point rider (as most of the draft riders are) will struggle to build to the points limit. Yep it will be a struggle I tried to do a Coventry side with Garrity in and it was tough.  Riders in the draft will be earning more than £40 per point next season I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Will there be an open, transparent & objective grading using last year's EL/PL/NL averages (with conversions) or will Neil Vatcher choose??? Â My subjective Grade A order would be: Â Auty Newman Blackbird KerrGarrityWorrallRoynon Wright BirksBoxall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 Why do the riders in Pot 1 need to be in an order? They are going to be picked in order of clubs finishing positions after all. Â Clubs will choose based upon their view of the rider/their asset base/their race night etc. Â Am I missing something? Pretty sure I read also that any rider from Pot 1 can guest for any Pot 1 rider which seems fair as they are all pretty even to be honest. Â I'm not even sure Pot 2 needs a grading system this time around. Riders are much closer together in ability again this time around. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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