Steve0 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Unless the grade B riders are at a similar level to Sarjeant and Rose, there will still be an imbalance in the reserves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Unless the grade B riders are at a similar level to Sarjeant and Rose, there will still be an imbalance in the reserves  Take on board what you say, but when looking at Poole last year, it makes a mockery of your statement of imbalance in the reserves. Grade A and B riders are not just about points levels. they're many more aspects to consider. Where they live, can they improve, are they willing to learn, are they able to race on your track, will they be able to mix in with the rest of the team. can they take on responsibility. When you consider all those things, does it matter if someone scores more points or less. It's pointless picking someone who don't want to be there, regardless of the ability....  Last year Rose was placed last on the list, but fitted in the Stars real well. He benefitted from being part of the team surrounded by world class riders, He took on board all the help and advice and made massive strides, even though his season was cut short by injury. This is what the FTR system is all about 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Unless the grade B riders are at a similar level to Sarjeant and Rose, there will still be an imbalance in the reserves   By PL average the grade A riders are likely to range from Kerr (7.54) to Roynon (4.78), although save for injuries Roynon, Boxall (5.36) & Birks (5,68) would be as good as the others (who average over 6).  Grade B is likely to have a similar range from Starke (4.79) to those NL riders without a PL average (including Sarjeant, Clegg, Halsey & Morley).  Rose is likely to be the fifth best (4.15). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Unless the grade B riders are at a similar level to Sarjeant and Rose, there will still be an imbalance in the reserves Sarj, Rose, Ellis, Nielsen, Jacobs, Morris, Starke, Bates. Throw in Olli Greenwood and Tom Perry too and Sarj actually becomes the lowest draft rider on the list. But I'd stil keep Sarj at Coventry, I'm not fan of Stef, Greenwood hasnt seen all the tracks, I've not seen enough of Jacobs but he did well last year tbf and the rest are not Bees assets. Nice that the Bees own 4 of them though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Just listened to the Neil Vatcher interview again. Â So the top 6 reserves from 2014 plus those riders that 'missed out' (eg the Autys and Roynons of this world) will be invited to go on the 'A' LIst of reserves. Â The rest will appear on the 'B' list - which should have the effect of strengthening all EL teams at reserve level - assuming all the riders accept the invitation?! Â Presumably all riders that accept the invitation will have to agree to the wage scale and to ride for any team they are selected for?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 What happens if 3 or more from cat 1 decline the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc131 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Sarj, Rose, Ellis, Nielsen, Jacobs, Morris, Starke, Bates. Throw in Olli Greenwood and Tom Perry too and Sarj actually becomes the lowest draft rider on the list. But I'd stil keep Sarj at Coventry, I'm not fan of Stef, Greenwood hasnt seen all the tracks, I've not seen enough of Jacobs but he did well last year tbf and the rest are not Bees assets. Nice that the Bees own 4 of them though 5 with crang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 What happens if 3 or more from cat 1 decline the draft Others move up! The list won't exist until they have all accepted, they don't go on it until they have been asked. http://www.speedway365.com/archives/11851 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointsmeanplayoffs Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Surely the riders from the 2014 FTD who are deemed good enough for Pot A will be able to secure a better wage? Â Just hope that a club's asset base comes in to play again this year. Groups seem much more fairer this time around. Â Kerr may not be the best rider in Pot A no more, BUT I still want Stars to stick with him. Likewise with Rose. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Surely the riders from the 2014 FTD who are deemed good enough for Pot A will be able to secure a better wage? Â Just hope that a club's asset base comes in to play again this year. Groups seem much more fairer this time around. Â Kerr may not be the best rider in Pot A no more, BUT I still want Stars to stick with him. Likewise with Rose. If you listen to the link I posted, it does say that riders such as Lawson and Richie Worrall will be on much higher rates than draft riders and any draft rider offered a place in a main body, is free to take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 There are to be 12 Grade A riders in the draft and the four not selected will be used as guests should any not be available. Â However if there are any teams changing a rider through injury then there will only be a couple of riders available to guest. So on a bank holiday what will happen if a team can't get a guest draft rider ? Â Will they be allowed to use a Premier League rider with a lower average ? Obviously providing they are British. Â Think the whole system should be under the guidance of at least three people and Morris and Vatcher being two along with someone like Peter Morrish or a referee that has been around for a while. Â Maybe even someone involved in a National League team like Gary Patchett or Chris Louis ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 I thought that any grade A rider could guest for any other. Which I assume also means that you can at any time replace your grade A rider with one of those left over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Take on board what you say, but when looking at Poole last year, it makes a mockery of your statement of imbalance in the reserves. Grade A and B riders are not just about points levels. they're many more aspects to consider. Where they live, can they improve, are they willing to learn, are they able to race on your track, will they be able to mix in with the rest of the team. can they take on responsibility. When you consider all those things, does it matter if someone scores more points or less. It's pointless picking someone who don't want to be there, regardless of the ability.... Â Last year Rose was placed last on the list, but fitted in the Stars real well. He benefitted from being part of the team surrounded by world class riders, He took on board all the help and advice and made massive strides, even though his season was cut short by injury. This is what the FTR system is all about Eh?? Of course it matters how many points they can score - because that is what wins matches! No point in having the most keen rider there is if he constantly falls off or finishes last! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Eh?? Of course it matters how many points they can score - because that is what wins matches! No point in having the most keen rider there is if he constantly falls off or finishes last! Â Of course it's not. Â But that is not what I said. I said his scoring is not the ONLY thing to consider. Â Eh????? I wish next time you will read what I posted and not what you think I said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Of course it's not. Â But that is not what I said. I said his scoring is not the ONLY thing to consider. Â Eh????? I wish next time you will read what I posted and not what you think I said. Â You said that the Grade A and B are not just about points levels (exactly what was written and how I read it) and my point was that it IS all about points! I wish next time you will consider the ambiguity in the English language before posturing yourself to be correct and others wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Everything you need to know about the draft will be posted on Swindon Link Sport tomorrow morning. This website is becoming must see for all speedway fans just not us Swindon fans. Andy Warren doing a top job! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014  Take on board what you say, but when looking at Poole last year, it makes a mockery of your statement of imbalance in the reserves. When clubs picking riders from Grade A and B, it's not just about points levels. they're many more aspects to consider. Where they live, can they improve, are they willing to learn, are they able to race on your track, will they be able to mix in with the rest of the team. can they take on responsibility. When you consider all those things, does it matter if someone scores more points or less. It's pointless picking someone who don't want to be there, regardless of the ability....  Last year Rose was placed last on the list, but fitted in the Stars real well. He benefitted from being part of the team surrounded by world class riders, He took on board all the help and advice and made massive strides, even though his season was cut short by injury. This is what the FTR system is all about  Post altered to keep Steve0 happy. You said that the Grade A and B are not just about points levels (exactly what was written and how I read it) and my point was that it IS all about points! I wish next time you will consider the ambiguity in the English language before posturing yourself to be correct and others wrong  It was the way you read it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 http://www.swindonlinksport.com/swindon_sports_news/howitworksthedraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TitusTokio Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 A good run down of how it all works here. Can see a couple of sides, Coventry maybe, protecting second round picks http://www.swindonlinksport.com/swindon_sports_news/howitworksthedraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) So we can see the 2015 table by looking at the 2014 table!  As i see it, the top three teams will keep their no.1 FTR from last season, who are obviously the strongest riders in that position. Then They get first pick in round two, so Poole get Newman and whomever they think is the strongest no2 FTR. Likewise KL will go Kerr and the next best no.2, Cov garrity +no.3 etc etc.  So as I see it, it'll go something like this  POOLE Newman KL Kerr COV Garrity SWIN Probably not Worrall as BV have first dibs so probably one of Roynon, Boxall or Auty. (I think Swindon will be the big losers in all of this). LAKE will protect Ellis in round 2 and in round 1 will have the choice of Roynon, Boxall, Auty and Birks in who can't ride for SWIN as he's at Sheffield in the premier on a Thursday. WOL Charles Wright, the 2nd best of the non retained riders BV Worrall as his parent club. LEIC Will go for Blackbird, best of the non retained riders and fairly local too.  Then from the top down in round 2 so Poole will get first pick for the best no.2 FTR (Excluding Ellis who I think LAKESIDE will retain) COV 2nd best etc, etc.  So as long as POOLE put together a half decent 1-5 then congratulations to POOLE 2015 Elite League Champions! (But I guess you all knew that already anyway! ) Edited November 20, 2014 by refereerick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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