DC2 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 The draft riders should be allowed to ride where they are most comfortable & where it is most cost-effective for them so if KL are allowed Kerr (7.54 PL average) & Rose (4.15 PL average) they would have the best grade A rider (by PL average) & the fifth best grade B rider rather than the eighth best (Bates 3.53). They should therefore lose .62 from there 34 point team building allowance. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 The draft riders should be allowed to ride where they are most comfortable & where it is most cost-effective for them so if KL are allowed Kerr (7.54 PL average) & Rose (4.15 PL average) they would have the best grade A rider (by PL average) & the fifth best grade B rider rather than the eighth best (Bates 3.53). They should therefore lose .62 from there 34 point team building allowance. You're too sensible. You'll never make it as a promoter! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Lets not forget that some riders eg Charles Wright, were not able to take their place on the list in 2014 due to other job commitments. They only came onto the list later on and allowed to be a guest!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 The draft riders should be allowed to ride where they are most comfortable & where it is most cost-effective for them so if KL are allowed Kerr (7.54 PL average) & Rose (4.15 PL average) they would have the best grade A rider (by PL average) & the fifth best grade B rider rather than the eighth best (Bates 3.53). They should therefore lose .62 from there 34 point team building allowance. Cor- Blimmy, we're really digging low now. The sport is at an all-time low and you, picking up on pettiness is the last thing we need. I for one, think the FTR system is a breath of fresh air. The first year was good and I'm sure it will be even better this year. Splitting the riders into A and B groups should be enough. Of course some riders will be better than others but its all down to opinions. You say Kerr is the top man, but I'm not so sure, especially now that others are joining the ranks. Same with group B. you say that Rose is fifth in the list and should be penalised. I say the clubs that have tried to help and educate new blood should have first choice on their assets. Probably, in future, those clubs who don't put much importance into nourishing these young riders, will change their stance and start doing the same. After-all they are the future of the sport..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Cor- Blimmy, we're really digging low now. The sport is at an all-time low and you, picking up on pettiness is the last thing we need. I for one, think the FTR system is a breath of fresh air. The first year was good and I'm sure it will be even better this year. Splitting the riders into A and B groups should be enough. Of course some riders will be better than others but its all down to opinions. You say Kerr is the top man, but I'm not so sure, especially now that others are joining the ranks. Same with group B. you say that Rose is fifth in the list and should be penalised. I say the clubs that have tried to help and educate new blood should have first choice on their assets. Probably, in future, those clubs who don't put much importance into nourishing these young riders, will change their stance and start doing the same. After-all they are the future of the sport..... Will they ? why not just sign riders as a asset as Belle Vue did with Worrall ...People like Kerr and Blackbird etc are not young riders by the way and nor is Auty . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 How many riders are going to be in this "Category 1"? If there's only 8 riders, then the team who pick last will be left with "like it of lump it" even if there's a category 2 rider they'd prefer. If there's more than 8 riders in Category 1, then some riders who agreed to the draft will be frozen out. Surely it's better to just have one long list like last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 How many riders are going to be in this "Category 1"? If there's only 8 riders, then the team who pick last will be left with "like it of lump it" even if there's a category 2 rider they'd prefer. If there's more than 8 riders in Category 1, then some riders who agreed to the draft will be frozen out. Surely it's better to just have one long list like last year? I read the cat 1 and cat 2 as simply being that any cat 1 rider can guest for another cat 1 rider. The draft itself isn't limit to each list. But they could do anything next week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I read the cat 1 and cat 2 as simply being that any cat 1 rider can guest for another cat 1 rider. The draft itself isn't limit to each list. But they could do anything next week. The BSPA statement says "clubs will include one rider from each category". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 (edited) I wish people would actually read the BSPA statement!! Neil Vatcher will invite riders to be in the Fast Track system for 2015. Once they accept he will place them into Grade A and Grade B. Clubs will select one from each grade.(presumably using a similar selection process as this year - although possibly not?!) To improve the overall quality of the reserve races there will be a separate list of riders that can guest for the senior (Grade A) reserve if injured or absent for any acceptable reasons. Question? - as this isn't clear - If Vatcher puts say 10 or 12 riders into Grade A, only 8 can be selected so what will happen with the remaining ones ? Will they be added to the Grade B list or simply put to one side to be called on as guests as and when required? Edited November 18, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Why can't the BSPA tell the fans how the selection process for FTD riders will work ? They have had long enough to sort it out, & it would save us all having to presume what will happen. Still think the riders will have more of a say of where they end up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC2 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Cor- Blimmy, we're really digging low now. The sport is at an all-time low and you, picking up on pettiness is the last thing we need. I for one, think the FTR system is a breath of fresh air. The first year was good and I'm sure it will be even better this year. Splitting the riders into A and B groups should be enough. Of course some riders will be better than others but its all down to opinions. You say Kerr is the top man, but I'm not so sure, especially now that others are joining the ranks. Same with group B. you say that Rose is fifth in the list and should be penalised. I take your point but you're arguing emotionally rather than logically. Kings Lynn should be allowed to accommodate their FT riders but they should not have a team-building points advantage! That's contrary to the principle of equalisation. In addition in any event they would have the added advantage of two FT riders who know their track well, compared to Swindon, for example, who will have two novices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Josh auty in the fast track? Jesus christ David howe will be drafted next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Steve boxhall and Charles wright have been invited to pot 1 in the draft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Steve boxhall and Charles wright have been invited to pot 1 in the draft Followed by Chris Schramm and Jon Armstrong. ...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 I wish people would actually read the BSPA statement!! Neil Vatcher will invite riders to be in the Fast Track system for 2015. Once they accept he will place them into Grade A and Grade B. Clubs will select one from each grade.(presumably using a similar selection process as this year - although possibly not?!) To improve the overall quality of the reserve races there will be a separate list of riders that can guest for the senior (Grade A) reserve if injured or absent for any acceptable reasons. Question? - as this isn't clear - If Vatcher puts say 10 or 12 riders into Grade A, only 8 can be selected so what will happen with the remaining ones ? Will they be added to the Grade B list or simply put to one side to be called on as guests as and when required? What will happen if one of the grade 1 riders are injured?. So many variables on the whole thing & yet they still don't implement both reserves having to have 4 rides & only allowed extra rides if they replace a rider in the top 5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 After listening to the podcast, only confirms that the "powers at be" haven't got a clue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Josh auty in the fast track? Jesus christ David howe will be drafted next! And fans on here moaned that the likes of Auty and Birks should have been Fast Track riders last year, but now moan about them now being in the squad. One good thing about this year with their inclusion with the strength of Newman, Garrity, Blackbird, etc, is they need less riders for the Fast Track 2 set. This will mean more riders to stay in the NL, and more riders available to take Guest bookings in the PL. With riders in three leagues, and 18 riders of lesser strength in the FTR, these riders were almost never available to take guest bookings, especially at short notice. They were too tired, working on bikes, no engines, already riding,etc. and teams, including us, had to travel to meetings having only just acquired the services a couple of hours previously a rider from their second half. EL just went back up one notch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Charles Wright is fair enough, but Steve Boxall, gimme strength he's given up the sport once, and struggled to maintain a couple of bikes, how will he cope with double the meetings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Charles Wright is fair enough, but Steve Boxall, gimme strength he's given up the sport once, and struggled to maintain a couple of bikes, how will he cope with double the meetings? So how is that any different to Charles Wright then? Both seem pretty similar to me. Both retired, made come backs, similar age. Steve Boxall is a better rider to have in this system than the likes of Lee Smart, Dan Halsey and Simon Lambert who will never amount to anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 So how is that any different to Charles Wright then? Both seem pretty similar to me. Both retired, made come backs, similar age. Steve Boxall is a better rider to have in this system than the likes of Lee Smart, Dan Halsey and Simon Lambert who will never amount to anything. Rate Wright higher than Boxall but take your point. They are far superior to some of the crap we have seen this season, scraping the barrel is an understatement sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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