theknow 2 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) don't you understand my previous posts? In answer to your question - To be fairer on the teams that finish lower down the league!! What utter tosh !!!! Also Newman is graded about right over the season. It wasnt until the later part of the year his form picked up and he was flying. Edited November 27, 2014 by theknow 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 I've said this for years.... Many of us have said it for years but the promoters idea of listening to the fans is for the fans to say, "we don't want the TR" and them to hear, "the TR should be used a second time only when 12 down" and then the fans to once again say, "we don't want the TR" and them to hear, "we only want one TR". They don't hear what we say, they hear what they want to hear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Last year was his own choice to not be on the draft, perhaps he'd see it as a backward step to 'drop down' to being a reserve. And I expect the difference in points money is a factor too. I think the term 'fast track draft' is a little misleading personally, calling it the 'British reserve system' would be more accurate. You've got a mixture of riders who could possibly make am impact internationally at some point and others who probably won't progress beyond PL reserve level, and the fact that its stopping foreign garbage clogging up reserve spots works for me. The system is much more balanced this year and hopefully it will develop every season so that eventually we have a pool of FTR's who are all full of potential. Other things need to happen alongside that too, most importantly that riders like Clegg, Grieves, Morley etc start riding regularly in the PL, IMO the second division should have a draft of some kind too, even if its only one spot per team. We need to start taking our riders abroad for test matches too, experience in Europe instead of our pokey little tracks is vital. Hopefully the category one riders can start to grab PL heatleader spots this year, they need to be beating the best in that league to go along with their EL experiences and I think the talent is there among them. Now officially to be called 'Elite Draft Riders' as per the BSPA announcement!! (although there might be more info that they are keeping back??!) Edited November 27, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Many of us have said it for years but the promoters idea of listening to the fans is for the fans to say, "we don't want the TR" and them to hear, "the TR should be used a second time only when 12 down" and then the fans to once again say, "we don't want the TR" and them to hear, "we only want one TR". They don't hear what we say, they hear what they want to hear! You may be right in some instances but the reality of the TR is more likely that the promoters have heard what many fans say but are also aware of what Sky want. In effect they have compromised between the two demands and reduced it to one TR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 According to this weeks Speedway Star, the rule hasn't changed, it is still as in 2014. Sound as if you were right SCB, they didn't listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Other things need to happen alongside that too, most importantly that riders like Clegg, Grieves, Morley etc start riding regularly in the PL, IMO the second division should have a draft of some kind too, even if its only one spot per team. We need to start taking our riders abroad for test matches too, experience in Europe instead of our pokey little tracks is vital. Excellent post Gordon Bennett. Home & Away against Czech Republic would be great for us and them (Thanks to Steve at Lakeside for that idea) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 According to this weeks Speedway Star, the rule hasn't changed, it is still as in 2014. Sound as if you were right SCB, they didn't listen. I think it has changed. Typical Speedway Star ambiguous gobbledegook but what I think they are trying say is that the rule is the same as 2014 in the sense that it can only be used in heats 5-11 in the EL and heats 5-12 inclusive in the PL , although exactly what they are trying to say about one or two TR rides is not clear . Other sources say only 1 TR ride though. For a trade in which the prime requirement the ability .to speak or write in clear English, SS leave a lot to be desired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Would it be possible for riders to swap clubs if deemed in the best interests and both clubs agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Would it be possible for riders to swap clubs if deemed in the best interests and both clubs agree? A sensible idea as long as no club does it just before the transfer cut off for the playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Would it be possible for riders to swap clubs if deemed in the best interests and both clubs agree? I see no reason at all why it shouldn't happen tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Would it be possible for riders to swap clubs if deemed in the best interests and both clubs agree?for what reason? - like if a rider being protected by a club will freeze him out of the PL as only a certain night options remain in the PL perhaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Most of the riders in group A where good enough to have been given places in the main team. It seems that the promoter have not got enough confidence in our lads to give them taht chance. I would think that by next season all the the group A riders will hopefully be given the chance to make the next step and become a part of one of the main group of riders in the EL instead of staying at reserve, as surely they just can't stay in that reserve position until they become to old and retire from the sport. What it needs is to bring on young riders and to bring them on into the main team to make British speedway a world beater again. As things are going now we are the bottom of the pile and will stay that way unless something is really done to bring our lads on in leaps and bounds. There is just not enough being spent on them traing wise to bring any of these lads up to the level of some of the young European riders. It is time they had dedicate training faciliteies like the Polish lads have maybe then we will see some promising young talents emerge. The FTR scheme after what will now be its second year is just like an old carthoure plodding along. If something is not done very soon there will be no EL to race in, with teams dropping out this year, so what will happen this coming year, will we see more teams go. if so that will be the end of the EL. Then the BPSA will have to come up with some quickly thought out idea of how to save British speedway from what is becoming a very slow death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Lambert has done what a few others have done like LORAN, Screen and Bridger by starting at the top and so has gone past that stage. In other words "you're on your own Sunny Jim". Don't expect any help off the BSPA, the likes of which the PZM give to Bartosz Zmarzlik, but when the BSPA want you, then you'd better jump to their tune. Wil the BSPA be entering Lambert into the u21's or will he have to do that by himself? (or will the Germans help him out? lol) Can't wait for the day he's good enough to be entered into the SEC and the BSPA try to put a block on him like they did to Scott Nicholls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Lambert was offered a place on the draft last year and turned it down as he knew he was getting a 1-5 spot. Perhaps that's still the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Would it be possible for riders to swap clubs if deemed in the best interests and both clubs agree? Maybe ..but it would undermine the system and the order of picks ...the two clubs might agree but it could be unfair on the others . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Lambert was offered a place on the draft last year and turned it down as he knew he was getting a 1-5 spot. Perhaps that's still the same? Was he? My memory is that because he was under 16 at the start of the season he wasn't eligible for the draft. I may be wrong about that though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 uk martin, on 27 Nov 2014 - 9:51 PM, said:Was he? My memory is that because he was under 16 at the start of the season he wasn't eligible for the draft. I may be wrong about that though. Both. He was under age AND he turned it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Was he? My memory is that because he was under 16 at the start of the season he wasn't eligible for the draft. I may be wrong about that though. Yes but he could've been added to the list but he knew he was in the 1-5 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 (edited) Of course one of the main things about the FTD system is that it catches the best of the young talent between the devil and the deep blue. If a young rider fancies his chances with the big boys he gets no assistance, but he might earn decent money on a proper contract. Alternatively and like the mediocre but British riders he could get a cheap labour contract but a helping hand from the system. The reserve slots should be for u21's whether in the draft or not. KL should have been able to field Lambert (at whatever his GSA is) plus 1 FTD rider in the same way that Stal Gorzów can field Zmarzlik (Ave = 8ish) at reserve on a contract that pays the rider his true value until the rider is 21. Edited November 27, 2014 by uk martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Was he? My memory is that because he was under 16 at the start of the season he wasn't eligible for the draft. I may be wrong about that though. Because he was under 16 at the start of the season he wasn't eligible for a 1-5 place either - but that didn't seem to make any difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.