pointsmeanplayoffs Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 The Draft idea comes from America. it has been used for many years. The Idea is for the lower placed teams to have first pick of the cream. When the cream has already been protected by their parent club, the lower clubs lose out. thus the idea of a draft system becomes nullinvoid Now had the BSPA wanted the scheme to give clubs the opportunity to protect their assets, they could have done so. BUT retain both selections to be done by league finish positions. This would have given the lower positioned clubs the advantage the Draft should have given them, instead of always putting what Poole want first...... I agree. A team which chooses to protect a rider in the first round should be penalised for doing so in the 2nd round. Unlike Poole who get 2nd pick in round 2 and their protected rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 I can't really see the point of having the meeting 5 of the teams had already taken out their A grade riders so it left very few for the other teams to pick from. The way the draw was done bore no regignition of how they said it was going to be with the Bottom club chosing first in grade A and last in grade B. But if Leicester went first in the A pick they should have had all 10 riders in that group to pick from not the ones that where left after the others had taken the best of the bunch out. It all boils down to the teams with the most pull, who are determined to make sure they win the league come hell or high water. A 5 year old could have done this better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionking Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Why the hell did Leicester no protect Josh bates & pick Simon Lambert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Looking at the draft as a whole it is much more balanced and even this year, relatively like to choose between the strongest and weakest rider in each category compared to last season. Trouble is its been spoiled by the obvious corruption which sees PL averages only used to rank the category one riders, same old same old which will only get worse now that Pairman is on the SCB. Also looks like there were incentives for one or two teams to ignore certain riders so that Poole ended up with Starke. Having seen him cheat for Berwick live on Sky a couple of years ago and also at the NLRC that year he should at least fit right in at Wimborne Road. Good luck to Lewis at Swindon, I'm sure he will do very well and continue to blossom. Welcome to Joe, hopefully having Lynn as a home track will suit him a bit more and he can kick on. Would like to see Tom Stokes given a run out whenever Joe is unavailable as I think he is in for a big season. Would still rather have seen Rose protected rather than Kerr, we would probably have ended up with Swindon's pairing which to me looks a bit stronger than ours. Overall a much better draft than last year, just a shame about the predictable fiddling. Do you believe that Rose is the better longterm prospect?i like both to be honest i was surprised in Rose's PL average he is miles better than that a big year for him i believe.To be honest Gordon, that's what makes league racing for me special the CORE of the riders staying at clubs everyear not the musical chairs everywhere changes galore. Edited November 26, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Not necessarily saying Rose is the better prospect sidney but to me keeping Rose and ending up with Birks or Wright to go with him is better than Kerr and Jacobs, especially now that Poole have pulled their fast one and look very strong at reserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Can anyone (Heathens supporter?) confirm if Starke is riding for Cradley again in 2015?? 'Cos with their change of race night to Wednesdays at Perry Barr, Poole may not have made the best choice!! If Starke signs for a PL team (almost certain) he won't be eligible for the NL. Couple of insights 1. Bates may have a liking for Monmore but Starke is the better rider no and has ridden Monmore for two years and ridden numberous heats 13 and 15 with Blackbird! 2. Why didn't Leicester protect Bates who is a better prospect and better to watch than Lambert. 3. I'm not going to comment on how the ranking order was devised but it means Poole definitely have the best pairing 4. Leicester picked 2 riders that couldn't gate last year and look how that turned out, now they pick Auty... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Not necessarily saying Rose is the better prospect sidney but to me keeping Rose and ending up with Birks or Wright to go with him is better than Kerr and Jacobs, especially now that Poole have pulled their fast one and look very strong at reserve.Newman who i like is a reserve do i think he could cope in the top 5 ? no in my opinion a few of the other draft riders might.? I don't like how the draft system is but today was exciting not knowing who you got maybe it could reape the benefits in the future who knows.?Saying that i like riders like Newman,Rose,Kerr,Garrity (ect ) to stay at the same club and aid there development and are favourites of there club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BANANAMAN Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) It looks like all the promoters & riders have got together beforehand & decided amongst themselves who will or wont be riding for each club to save any embarrassment to promotion or rider who wouldn't want to ride for a particular team . Who wants a unhappy rider !! .. Then put the riders in a list order accordingly so its looks legit ! . Its called Backscratching !! Edited November 26, 2014 by BANANAMAN 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Sorry without looking back at the posts how did this draft work out in terms of order of the picks etc ...many thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) If you protect an asset in cat A... Surely you then go to the bottom of the pile in cat B??... Where you draw lots or something with the others who protected assets?? Or protect an asset each if you have one, then draw the others out the har...and then draw cat b out of a hat??. Edited November 26, 2014 by Arson fire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Sorry without looking back at the posts how did this draft work out in terms of order of the picks etc ...many thanks Tier 1: Leicester, Wolves, Lakeside, Swindon (Poole, Coventry, KL and Belle Vue had protected riders) Tier 2: Wolves, Poole, Swindon, Coventry, Leicester, Belle Vue, King's Lynn (Lakeside had a protected rider) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post John Leslie Posted November 26, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 If you protect an asset in cat A... Surely you then go to the bottom of the pile in cat B??... Where you draw lots or something with the others who protected assets?? If you protect the top ranked asset in Cat A, you go to the bottom of the pile for Cat B. If you protect the lowest ranked asset in Cat A, you get first pick in Cat B If you can convince the BSPA that your top Cat A asset is a low Cat A asset, you're Poole 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Still having massive problems with this draw selection. The idea of a draft system is for the weaker teams the opportunity to strengthen. So how is it, that Poole won the League, and Leicester finished bottom, yet Poole were able to pick their choice of rider from each group, before Leicester did.. Surely that can't be right................ Looking at each clubs pairings, no doubt most of them will be well pleased. Coventry must be well chuffed to have the same two from last year, Wolves, Belle Vue, and Swindon have come out smelling of roses, But Poole have come out on top and will thinks they've won the lottery. The other three will have to bear the blunt of some unscrupulous rule making that allows this to happen........ Another problem: Everybody in speedway , be it Fans, Promoters, Riders, Clubs, hate the idea of guests. Last tear it got to epidemic proportions. Now this year we will have to source guest each time when our meetings clash with Joe Jacobs parent club because they will have first call. How ironic is that when our own rider has had to ride elsewhere. Talk about common sense. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) Tier 1: Leicester, Wolves, Lakeside, Swindon (Poole, Coventry, KL and Belle Vue had protected riders) Tier 2: Wolves, Poole, Swindon, Coventry, Leicester, Belle Vue, King's Lynn (Lakeside had a protected rider) Thanks Matt ...how did Poole get second pick in grade 2 . I understand grade 1 picks had did grade 2 work out . Edited November 26, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) I've heard a rumour of at least two 'protected' riders who would not agree to being on the list unless they could definitely ride for their own track!! What a joke. I'm a sponsor of a young British rider and I've heard of two guys who have been dicked over in the draft today. Broken promises etc ... One of them has been royally stuffed in terms of PL places and the guy I help is seriously considering giving up and I'll probably do the same For the better of British speedway and young riders ??? What a load of bollocks. Edited November 26, 2014 by Countershaftcounter 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 (edited) It looks like all the promoters & riders have got together beforehand & decided amongst themselves who will or wont be riding for each club to save any embarrassment to promotion or rider who wouldn't want to ride for a particular team . Who wants a unhappy rider !! .. Then put the riders in a list order accordingly so its looks legit ! . Its called Backscratching !! Never a truer word said here. As you said it was all sorted out well before today. Max Clegg started very badly for the Lions, it was not until his last 3 or 4 meetings that he seemed to get it together. I think he didn't have the confidence at the start in the EL to much to soon. You only had to look at the way he scored against the same riders when he rode for Cradley, he was scoring top lower 8 and 9 points a meeting to 11 and 12 points against the same riders he met at the Lions, but nothing seemed to happen for him till these last few meetings I felt that he had every chance of coming back again next season just on those last few meeting. He was a totally different rider to the one we had seen all season long. Far infront of Josh Bates who spent more time lying on the track than actually riding around it. Edited November 27, 2014 by weatherwatcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Thanks Matt ...how did Poole get second pick in grade 2 . The category one riders appear to have been ranked by PL average only without any consideration of last year's EL performances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 The category one riders appear to have been ranked by PL average only without any consideration of last year's EL performances.wolves picks just dont add up... As if they were in cahoots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 Thanks Matt ...how did Poole get second pick in grade 2 . I understand grade 1 picks had did grade 2 work out . Because they decided to use PL averages - which has Newman and Blackbird at positions 6 and 7 out of the 10. The second pick was in the order of those averages for first picks - lakeside would have gone first but had Ellis protected. Next up was Wolves (who picked the highest averaged FTR from last year but had the next lowest PL average, then Poole, Swindon, etc A total farce in other words ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted November 26, 2014 Report Share Posted November 26, 2014 wolves picks just dont add up... As if they were in cahoots Let's just say they're keeping it in the family... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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