Ftd Reserves

[stevebrum]

Nor am I - but he was young enough to be eligible for the draft

 

To be honest i don't really understand why he wasn't included in the draft as he has shown he has made progress in the past 2 seasons and could have been a huge benefit to him.

[DunRobin]

In reality if the FTD rider option is to be continued, it should be in the Premier League. For the majority of the "lads" the step up was too big, for some it was OK but I think most of those riders would have progressed under the old system of natural progression. I believe that the EL should go with either 1 FTD rider + 1 British reserve or my preference with 2 British reserves. However, I do not think either will happen as you will find that reserve costs go up not down, similar to what happened in Poland when they had to have 2 U21 riders in their line-up. The best of that category were able to name their own price.

[Jonny the spud]

Another problem is that you're expecting the young lads to maintain two EL standard bikes on £50 a point, their points are just as important as anyone else's in the team but they're riding for a fraction of the money.

 

How are they supposed to improve their equipment and remain competitive ?

[INCOGNITO]

A lot will depend on how the Premier League act in 2015 as it looks like they may be looking at bringing in draft riders as well so that would in affect mean Elite League clubs could only track one.

 

They would then look at the top draft riders this season and add others that missed out like Auty Roynon Birks etc to fill the number six position but obviously hold some sort of average.

 

These would be assessed at a reasonable figure to help them adapt and hold a reserve position all season while having more difficult and testing rides which is shown elsewhere in a thread about possible new format for 2015.

 

Will be surprised if the top five have a higher combined average than that of 2014 as many this season have seen heat leaders drop their averages and anything more than 32 would be hard to find if some are not returning.

[Trees]

Another problem is that you're expecting the young lads to maintain two EL standard bikes on £50 a point, their points are just as important as anyone else's in the team but they're riding for a fraction of the money.

How are they supposed to improve their equipment and remain competitive ?

I don't believe this one bit but some would say same as the top boys do racing in the GPS for nothing much ......

[AndyJ]

Another problem is that you're expecting the young lads to maintain two EL standard bikes on £50 a point, their points are just as important as anyone else's in the team but they're riding for a fraction of the money.

 

How are they supposed to improve their equipment and remain competitive ?

Isn't the point that these young lads are programmed to race in relatively easy heat line-ups and thus the £50 per point yields better rewards than if they race against higher standard riders, at say £200 per point?

3 x £50 is more beneficial than 0 x £200

[Bruiser McHuge]

A fast track reserve rider on £50 a point that is scoring double figures virtually every match is should be able to maintain bikes good enough for the races he is in and earn a good wage.....over 500 quid a meeting...that's not bad at all for a rider of that level....can't believe people complain about that to be honest.

[BluPanther]

A fast track reserve rider on £50 a point that is scoring double figures virtually every match is should be able to maintain bikes good enough for the races he is in and earn a good wage.....over 500 quid a meeting...that's not bad at all for a rider of that level....can't believe people complain about that to be honest.

The person 'complaining' is the father of a fast track rider...

[B.V 72]

Another problem is that you're expecting the young lads to maintain two EL standard bikes on £50 a point, their points are just as important as anyone else's in the team but they're riding for a fraction of the money.

 

How are they supposed to improve their equipment and remain competitive ?

I can think of a few other ways to look at this.

 

First of all they are being given a chance to improve by having lots more meetings ie the more track time the better you get the more money you earn.

or

Its like an apprentice saying i want the same money as a time served worker as i spend the same time at work as he does.They all had to start on lower money.(ie all riders started out scoreing low points (low points money) against far better riders than the FTRs have to race against

or

 

They are on £50 a point more and riding in 30 ish more meetings than they were last year to help with costs.

or

The other option is to opt out like i have heard C Wright does and ride guest only and get a part time job taking only meetings he can get time off work for,if it does not pay to do speedway alone.

Edited October 27, 2014 by B.V 72

[E I Addio]

In reality if the FTD rider option is to be continued, it should be in the Premier League. For the majority of the "lads" the step up was too big, for some it was OK but I think most of those riders would have progressed under the old system of natural progression. I believe that the EL should go with either 1 FTD rider + 1 British reserve or my preference with 2 British reserves. However, I do not think either will happen as you will find that reserve costs go up not down, similar to what happened in Poland when they had to have 2 U21 riders in their line-up. The best of that category were able to name their own price.

 

The in an ideal world an FTDR scheme in the PL could be a good idea, but the problem is the PL promoters wouldn't have it.

[bigcatdiary]

Be good to hear his side on this then.

Either way something has a funny smell.

Let's be honest this is nothing new is it

 

The BSPA couldn't organise a piss up at a brewery, as one promoter said to me recently they haven't got anyone on the BSPA that is smart enough to solve the problems they currently have, those that have tried over the years have just got fed up with the politics and walked away, a bit like a lot of the supporters.

[brewer]

And I take it that this promoter includes him/herself, as being a promoter you are a part of the bspa and collectively make the decisions

[BANANAMAN]

SCB, on 21 Oct 2014 - 12:08 PM, said:

So the season over and most people have had their say. I think generally the draft was a success. One issue is that the reserve have too much importance in a meeting, so maybe the answer is to remove heat 9. Reserves get the 3 rides each. I'm sure it used to be the case that reserves only got 3 rides anyway, and in probably 80% of meetings 1 reserve only got 3 rides anyway.

 

It means rather than reserve scoring 16 points they can only get 10 points between them unless they beat second strings.

 

To make up for the lost heat, heat 15 can be top 2 scorers and heat 14 can be any 2 other riders nominated.

It was a success for Coventry & Poole .. they had the best two FTR riders in my opinion & were a massive factor in the two clubs reaching the Final . Look at the points the two scored . If the lads had have gone to other teams perhaps they Bees & Pirates would not have made it ..

[waiheke1]

A fast track reserve rider on £50 a point that is scoring double figures virtually every match is should be able to maintain bikes good enough for the races he is in and earn a good wage.....over 500 quid a meeting...that's not bad at all for a rider of that level....can't believe people complain about that to be honest.

But most ftr of course would be scoring half that. 250 quid (before tax) to cover bikes, travel and living doesnt seem a lot to me.

[stevebrum]

Let's be honest this is nothing new is it

 

The BSPA couldn't organise a piss up at a brewery, as one promoter said to me recently they haven't got anyone on the BSPA that is smart enough to solve the problems they currently have, those that have tried over the years have just got fed up with the politics and walked away, a bit like a lot of the supporters.

 

 

True.

Think the point that Morris was meant to be `independent` with the draw proves that his strings were being pulled by the BSPA all along.

It makes you question whether the draw was as fair as it was meant to be.

[Bruiser McHuge]

But most ftr of course would be scoring half that. 250 quid (before tax) to cover bikes, travel and living doesnt seem a lot to me.

Well I would say a fast track reserve shouldn't be on more than £50 a point...and a very good fast track reserve with the points they are on would more than be able to maintain bikes to compete at that level...

We maintained enough bikes over the years for British League and European meetings with far tougher races than fast track reserve races and £50 a point should be more than enough at that level in my opinion........if teams can genuinely afford to pay fast track reserves over £500 a meeting, every meeting, sometimes more , then it's no wonder speedway is struggling.......most motor sport you pay to compete and for very poor prize money until you reach a certain level, which very few do.

[bigcatdiary]

True.

Think the point that Morris was meant to be `independent` with the draw proves that his strings were being pulled by the BSPA all along.

It makes you question whether the draw was as fair as it was meant to be.

Since when has the BSPA done things fairly!!!!!

And I take it that this promoter includes him/herself, as being a promoter you are a part of the bspa and collectively make the decisions

Possibly but any change is difficult unless it suits certain members.

[INCOGNITO]

Without doubt the main reason Poole and Coventry reached the final was the scoring power of the reserves and it has to be evened out in the close season.

 

The best way so far suggested is to have one draft reserve at number seven and the other reserve be a better grade British rider like Garrity Newman or even Auty.

 

Let the number sevens have the easy heats against each other and second strings but the better reserve needs to be tested more.

[TMW]

 

 

True.

Think the point that Morris was meant to be `independent` with the draw proves that his strings were being pulled by the BSPA all along.

It makes you question whether the draw was as fair as it was meant to be.

I believe Leicester got the riders they wanted.

[MrMungo]

Another problem is that you're expecting the young lads to maintain two EL standard bikes on £50 a point, their points are just as important as anyone else's in the team but they're riding for a fraction of the money.

 

How are they supposed to improve their equipment and remain competitive ?

 

If Mr Ellis is on £50 per point, he's £10 a point luckier than many!

That aside, I do agree with your post.

And even when they do receive the money, it's received late. Very late, in some cases.

 

It becomes even more problematic to keep the bikes up to a good standard when the money isn't great, and that money isn't received in a timely manner.