Woz01 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) Oh well then, that makes the signing an average one. That would also mean we won't get priority over King either. We won't make the playoffs if that is the case. Edited January 18, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G the Bee Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 I have asked Stuart and he believes Redcar have priority over Coventry on the basis that he signed for them first so he is in effect doubling up with Coventry. From this he is saying if he had signed for an Elite club first and then a Premier club the Elite would then have priority. IF that is the case, we made a huge balls up signing him then. The thing is, did Robbo hear that from Brian Havelock or the Bees promotion? Should Brian Havelock be correct, then we should have signed Summers instead of Robson. Most people expected either Robson or Summers to be the last piece in the jigsaw. Summers hasn't signed for anyone yet. He's a Redcar asset and their team is full, so we'd get priority. We don't want 3 riders we don't have priority over, simple as that. The signing first makes most sense. The original loan agreement surely shouldnt be adversely affected by a secondary contract. I actually don't think it does. In fact, any system where the top league has to play second fiddle to the lower league is a farce as far as I'm concerned. The only way a PL rider should ever get priority, in my opinion, is when he is an actual asset of the PL club. In any other situation, the EL should take priority. The sooner this joke of a doubling up system is got rid of, the better. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 IF that is the case, we made a huge balls up signing him then. The thing is, did Robbo hear that from Brian Havelock or the Bees promotion? Should Brian Havelock be correct, then we should have signed Summers instead of Robson. Most people expected either Robson or Summers to be the last piece in the jigsaw. Summers hasn't signed for anyone yet. He's a Redcar asset and their team is full, so we'd get priority. We don't want 3 riders we don't have priority over, simple as that. I actually don't think it does. In fact, any system where the top league has to play second fiddle to the lower league is a farce as far as I'm concerned. The only way a PL rider should ever get priority, in my opinion, is when he is an actual asset of the PL club. In any other situation, the EL should take priority. The sooner this joke of a doubling up system is got rid of, the better. dont paticularly disagree with the principle of your point however the garnering of assets has been skewed in favour of EL in the past (signing riders without the need to ride for them) so it isnt a level playing field. Infact this can still happen with British riders so until that changes such a stuation as you state is unfair. Oh well then, that makes the signing an average one. That would also mean we won't get priority over King either. We won't make the playoffs if that is the case.although I said I think it makes sense that diesnt mean thats how it is. After all Brian Havelock thinks Summers is worth £21k so that proves he is not always right! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studland Bee Posted January 18, 2015 Report Share Posted January 18, 2015 Which ever rider Coventry had gone for, Robson or Summers, there would always be some clashes of fixtures. Stuart seems to think he will be available for most meetings and that promoters do actually talk to each other and try and work through fixtures to minimise clashes. I suppose time will tell with rain offs and re arranged fixtures throughout the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Which ever rider Coventry had gone for, Robson or Summers, there would always be some clashes of fixtures. Stuart seems to think he will be available for most meetings and that promoters do actually talk to each other and try and work through fixtures to minimise clashes. I suppose time will tell with rain offs and re arranged fixtures throughout the season. It will be interesting to see how many clashes there are when the fixtures come out at 10am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 A quick glance at the fixtures show from memory 1 clash for King (a home meeting vs BV - where Cook will be missing for them) and about 3 meetings clashing with Redcar for Robbo. Jason misses about 4 meetings too (home to Leicester and Poole plus at Leicester and I'm sure there was one other) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 A quick glance at the fixtures show from memory 1 clash for King (a home meeting vs BV - where Cook will be missing for them) and about 3 meetings clashing with Redcar for Robbo. Jason misses about 4 meetings too (home to Leicester and Poole plus at Leicester and I'm sure there was one other) So overall it doesn't look too bad. I can except Jason missing meetings as that's the nature of the draft and all teams will have similar issues at reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 So overall it doesn't look too bad. I can except Jason missing meetings as that's the nature of the draft and all teams will have similar issues at reserve. The way to look at it is that between Ipswich, Redcar and Rye House having to go to Edinburgh and Somerset 6-9 times between them there has to be some clashes (you can have 2 or 3 of them riding on the same Friday) . Replacing King would be a PITA (and the fact nobody seems to have priority over him meant the easiest way was make no clashes and then any re-arranged meeting is a first come first served basis). So it was Robbo and Jason missing a few meetings and Robbo on his relatively low average wouldn't be easy to replace. So I guess it's not turned out too bad. What annoys me most is that we're missing Jason against Poole in the A fixture (and Robbo in the - if theres two meetings we want to be at full strength for it them two, we have to beat the enemy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) At first glance King also misses Leicester at home (Robson also missing) Also garrity and king miss Lakeside home Leicester away we also miss king and Garrity. A lot more clashes than first thought. Edited January 19, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 The way to look at it is that between Ipswich, Redcar and Rye House having to go to Edinburgh and Somerset 6-9 times between them there has to be some clashes (you can have 2 or 3 of them riding on the same Friday) . Replacing King would be a PITA (and the fact nobody seems to have priority over him meant the easiest way was make no clashes and then any re-arranged meeting is a first come first served basis). So it was Robbo and Jason missing a few meetings and Robbo on his relatively low average wouldn't be easy to replace. So I guess it's not turned out too bad. What annoys me most is that we're missing Jason against Poole in the A fixture (and Robbo in the - if theres two meetings we want to be at full strength for it them two, we have to beat the enemy! I honestly expected a few more clashes, it seems they've at least tried to arrange the fixtures so we can be at full strength as much as possible. Trust Poole being one meeting where we are not at full strength! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) King missing 4 fixtures Garrity misses 8 fixtures! Only seen 3 clashes for Robson What happens when Garrity is missing as Peterborough racing mostly same time so no Roynon available to guest. Edited January 19, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 King missing 4 fixtures Garrity misses 8 fixtures! Only seen 3 clashes for Robson What happens when Garrity is missing as Peterborough racing mostly same time so no Roynon available to guest. Garrity will miss 6. The 2 matches on bank holiday Rye House ride early afternoon usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Garrity will miss 6. The 2 matches on bank holiday Rye House ride early afternoon usually. Hopefully and hopefully will be back again. When missing are you only allowed to use riders who didn't get picked for the draft or others below Garrity on the list as Peterbourgh also riding a lot of these nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Hopefully and hopefully will be back again. When missing are you only allowed to use riders who didn't get picked for the draft or others below Garrity on the list as Peterbourgh also riding a lot of these nights. It is a concern no doubt. We coped well last season when he was missing to be fair but reserves are stronger this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Noticed their is a EMB against Leicester with the first leg away on 15th. This has been made for same date as Rory's testimonial which means no Harris or Doyle. The return leg of the EMB has also been placed on the same day as the meeting for Lee Richardson's meeting. Surely this is bad planning by Horton on both accounts as fans and riders may want to be at both Edited January 19, 2015 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bees_Man Posted January 19, 2015 Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 The whole thing is a shambles. Horton said on the fans forum this should be a lot reduced this season yet looks worse than ever. I'll be picking my meetings this season. Are we even full strength for the first meeting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2015 Noticed their is a EMB against Leicester with the first leg away on 15th. This has been made for same date as Rory's testimonial which means no Harris or Doyle. The return leg of the EMB has also been placed on the same day as the meeting for Lee Richardson's meeting. Surely this is bad planning by Horton on both accounts as fans and riders may want to be at both Its poor from both promotions as they agree to the date. I'm hoping that they didn't realise RICO meeting was the same day, similar happened with Schlein testimonial. Horton put on a respectful tribute for Lee the meeting after the accident so I'm sure he didn't know. Plenty of Bees fans will travel to the memorial meeting. The whole thing is a shambles. Horton said on the fans forum this should be a lot reduced this season yet looks worse than ever. I'll be picking my meetings this season. Are we even full strength for the first meeting? It may be reduced we don't know for certain who get priority for King and Robson. Garrity misses 5 as I believe 3 of the meetings are on bank holidays so could do both meetings on the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 East Midlands Bowl returns. At Leicester on 15 March and return at Brandon on 20 March. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 East Midlands Bowl returns. At Leicester on 15 March and return at Brandon on 20 March. Yes mentioned above. No harris or Doyle on 15th as riding in Rory's testimonial. Disappointed we have decided to stage the 2nd leg the same day as Rico's meeting. No other teams racing. What if harris etc want to race in that. Poor planning just for a challenge meeting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 20, 2015 Report Share Posted January 20, 2015 (edited) Expect something to change dates after all the furore over Havvy's Testimonial clash with the ERC last year?!!!! Edited January 20, 2015 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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