kingbee Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Its in this weeks Speedway Star. AJ was close to signing for Lakeside in August but too many clashes. AJ said Lakeside is one of 2 clubs he would consider (i assume Cov is the other). But Lakeside appear favourites if he does sign. he did mention Lakeside and Coventry were the only two teams he would consider The issue is that only Ward and Iversen have "ridden like a number 1" because these days, almost every heat the number 1 is in, is a heat 15. People still think the number 1's these days should have 11 point averages because Ole Olsen did. But Ole rode against the number 1 twice and a load of second strings a reserves. These days the number 1s ride against heatleaders in every race, they ride against the number 1 3 times. Hans actually did a reasonable enough job over a full season. Sadly he went AWOL when he was needed most. You're right about it working for Bomber though. If we don't have Hans we need another top rider - I just don't see who unless AJ is an option. So for that reason maybe sticking with Hans is not a bad idea. trouble is Bomber goes missing at the start of every season until about July.I think if we do get through the next two seasons mixing what we have we will need major surgery after that if we keep going 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 he did mention Lakeside and Coventry were the only two teams he would consider trouble is Bomber goes missing at the start of every season until about July.I think if we do get through the next two seasons mixing what we have we will need major surgery after that if we keep going Does it matter is Bomber i missing until May/June or even July? Plod through the season, come good in Sept/Oct. Thats all you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 But wouldn't it be even better if we didn't have to wait until the middle of the season before he gets going? Now he's in good form why doesn't he just wrap those bikes in cotton wool and put them away until 2015? I can never understand why riders have to start afresh each year with different equipment, or perhaps they don't and it's just the rider himself who takes a couple of months to get back into the swing of things? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) I have loved the 2014 team so would like to keep as many of them as possible. It's hard to name exactly which team I would like as what will happen with FTD & points limit unknown as well as the talk about Aussie riders not possibly not being able to D/UP. Personally: The first 2 riders I would love to hear announced ASAP would be: Chris Harris & Kyle Howarth Riders I would love to see in team next year: Hans Andersen, Max Fricke, Jason Garrity, James Sarjeant, Simon Stead, Zengota, Kenneth Hansen. Would also be happy with: Nicholls, Larsen, AJ, Summers. Edited October 21, 2014 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naffer Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Agree Harris, Howarth and the sarjeant should be nailed on. Definitely no Hansen and Andersen is 50/50 for me it's all well and good saying get rid but who would replace him. On reflection I would ditch Barker and go for Michelsen from Eastbourne. Assuming Garrity is assessed at about 4.5 ish and fast track riders of pedigree have to move into the top 5. And limit is top five 32 My boys would be Sundstrom/Andersen Garrity Michelsen Howarth Harris sarjeant ? Deal Shamek away to get Kyle and eddie to get Garrity to attain priority. Up the bees! Edited October 21, 2014 by naffer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 The issue is that only Ward and Iversen have "ridden like a number 1" because these days, almost every heat the number 1 is in, is a heat 15. People still think the number 1's these days should have 11 point averages because Ole Olsen did. But Ole rode against the number 1 twice and a load of second strings a reserves. These days the number 1s ride against heatleaders in every race, they ride against the number 1 3 times. Hans actually did a reasonable enough job over a full season. Sadly he went AWOL when he was needed most. You're right about it working for Bomber though. If we don't have Hans we need another top rider - I just don't see who unless AJ is an option. So for that reason maybe sticking with Hans is not a bad idea. When I said 'ride like a no1' I was was referring just to his average. There is a lot more to a no1 than that. Like experience of away tracks, bike set-ups, and mainly being able to handle the pressure meetings etc. I might be doing Hans some injustice here but he seemed to be more self-centred this year than when he rode for us before. I can't remember a race when he was looking round for his partner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Too early to name a team for next year but from the class of 2014: Andersen - on track he's done a steady job but tailed off at the key stage. Only he will know why but Ive seen how his bikes are presented and his attitude in the pits, been first class all season. His pairing with Harris has been a season highlight. Wouldn't be disappointed if he returned fired up. Howarth - eveytime he rode he seemed to get better. Great first season in the main body just frastrating him not being available for so many meetings. If his doubling up club dosnt clash would definitely sign him up. Barker - felt for the lad getting injured on his return. I don't see him as a heat leader next year so not sure where he would fit in. Hansen - great rappor with the fans but his season flattered to decive. Seems a bit of a one trick pony (the wide line) that will limit his scoring unless he learns different lines. I'd like him back for his attitude and desire but a lot will depend on the points limit and if it's worth a gamble. Harris - no brainier, first name on the team sheet. Has been brilliant in the last few months producing some classic bombing that's worth the admission fee alone. Agree with earlier comments he needs a No.1 to take the pressure off and Hans did that this year. Garrity - unless some crazy rule change or average adjustment is implemented I'd have him back in a flash. Great guy, enthusiastic on and off the track, just what you need to create a team spirit. Missing the end of 2013 due to injury so to come back this year and whoop most DTRs and many others in the main body has been impressive. Love his all action style too. Sarjeant - boy this lad has got better with each meeting. Must be the best second tier DTR in the league. Love to see him back in a DTR system again, if not he needs a good year in the Premier and come back in 2016. Of the others: Summers - reliable and loves the club. Not sure where he'd fit in next year unless the reserve slots come available again. Fricke - great guest performances and definitely one for the future. Would like to see him in the team next year but it could be risky if he's in a heat leader role so needs to be at 2 or 4. Fisher - the forgotten Man. Tough season for the veteran with personal issues and injury. Sadly not sure where he would fit in next year. Must add that GH has grown on me this year. I'm happy with him being back next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmiler Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can see a very British line up for next season probably done on the cheap with this being the penultimate season for Coventry Bees. (Sad but probably true). I'd say I'd be happy with this line up. 1. Danny King/Jason Doyle 2. Kyle Howarth 3. Grzegorz Zengota 4. Max Fricke 5. Chris Harris 6. James Sarjeant 7. Oliver Greenwood This is assuming Garrity goes to Wolverhampton as expected. The rumours of AJ won't amount to anything but I'd be happy with him back if his average is reassessed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) The rumours of AJ won't amount to anything but I'd be happy with him back if his average is reassessed.Why should his average be reassessed? He has an EL average and has done well to re-qualify for the 2015 SGPs so hardly on the downward slope! Surely the existing heat leaders/second string averages need to be reviewed as, because of the change of race format, you now have second strings on inflated averages and heat leaders on reduced averages. Why would a team take a current second string, when they can look to bring one in who didn't ride this year on a lower average - allowing more points elsewhere too??? Edited October 21, 2014 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Why should his average be reassessed? He has an EL average and has done well to re-qualify for the 2015 SGPs so hardly on the downward slope! Because, as per the rules he can be re-assesed. Hes not raced here for over 3 seasons now. And as the top 2 riders in the league failed to get 9 last season it's unfair to expect AJ to come back on 9.66. Looking at his Swedish and Poland averages 8 seems much fairer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) Because, as per the rules he can be re-assesed. Hes not raced here for over 3 seasons now. And as the top 2 riders in the league failed to get 9 last season it's unfair to expect AJ to come back on 9.66. Looking at his Swedish and Poland averages 8 seems much fairer. Being honest that's probably fair and if he was signing for Lakeside, Wolverhampton etc I am sure it would be, but for Coventry and Mick Horton I seriously doubt it. Edited October 21, 2014 by bigcatdiary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Sweetman Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Can see a very British line up for next season probably done on the cheap with this being the penultimate season for Coventry Bees. (Sad but probably true). I'd say I'd be happy with this line up. 1. Danny King/Jason Doyle 2. Kyle Howarth 3. Grzegorz Zengota 4. Max Fricke 5. Chris Harris 6. James Sarjeant 7. Oliver Greenwood This is assuming Garrity goes to Wolverhampton as expected. The rumours of AJ won't amount to anything but I'd be happy with him back if his average is reassessed. Coventry would be mad not to sign Joe Jacobs now hes their asset. We would gladly take him back to Wolves.With the big hitters out of the way next season,should score big points for who ever he rides for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 (edited) The rumours of AJ won't amount to anything but I'd be happy with him back if his average is reassessed. Why should his average be reassessed? He has an EL average and has done well to re-qualify for the 2015 SGPs so hardly on the downward slope! Surely the existing heat leaders/second string averages need to be reviewed as, because of the change of race format, you now have second strings on inflated averages and heat leaders on reduced averages. Why would a team take a current second string, when they can look to bring one in who didn't ride this year on a lower average - allowing more points elsewhere too??? Because, as per the rules he can be re-assesed. Hes not raced here for over 3 seasons now. And as the top 2 riders in the league failed to get 9 last season it's unfair to expect AJ to come back on 9.66. Looking at his Swedish and Poland averages 8 seems much fairer. A GP winner and GP rider of right needs re-assessing? I don't think so. Edited October 21, 2014 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 Because, as per the rules he can be re-assesed. Hes not raced here for over 3 seasons now. And as the top 2 riders in the league failed to get 9 last season it's unfair to expect AJ to come back on 9.66. Looking at his Swedish and Poland averages 8 seems much fairer. And as per the rules - it doesn't mean he will be re-assessed down!! You honestly think it's fair to cut nearly 2 points from his average?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 And as per the rules - it doesn't mean he will be re-assessed down!! You honestly think it's fair to cut nearly 2 points from his average?? Its a trick Poole would try, so its a no from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted October 21, 2014 Report Share Posted October 21, 2014 And as per the rules - it doesn't mean he will be re-assessed down!! You honestly think it's fair to cut nearly 2 points from his average??Yes, it is fair. The race format has changed vas that's seen all heatleaders carafes drop. The season after AJ got 9.66 Zagar got 9.69 so he's a fair comparison. It's harder to get a high average now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Does it matter is Bomber i missing until May/June or even July? Plod through the season, come good in Sept/Oct. Thats all you need.It does if we go down the solid team and no out and out number one Agree Harris, Howarth and the sarjeant should be nailed on. Definitely no Hansen and Andersen is 50/50 for me it's all well and good saying get rid but who would replace him. On reflection I would ditch Barker and go for Michelsen from Eastbourne. Assuming Garrity is assessed at about 4.5 ish and fast track riders of pedigree have to move into the top 5. And limit is top five 32 My boys would be Sundstrom/Andersen Garrity Michelsen Howarth Harris sarjeant ? Deal Shamek away to get Kyle and eddie to get Garrity to attain priority. Up the bees! mid table at best that team when you think what Poole will put out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonHWeiner Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 Poole won't have enough points for all their top heat leaders (assuming Darcy is not banned next season), so how would Magic like a spell at Brandon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted October 22, 2014 Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 I can see Harris as a definate. They would be crazy not to have Howarth back especially if he can fit into the 2 or 4 position. If rumours are true of Aj i can see a team of. Jonsson Garrity Howarth ? Harris Sarjeant ? Not sure what is left or if that fits I can see Harris as a definate. They would be crazy not to have Howarth back especially if he can fit into the 2 or 4 position. If rumours are true of Aj i can see a team of. Jonsson Garrity Howarth ? Harris Sarjeant ? Not sure what is left or if that fits Could Hansen be at 4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted October 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2014 What average would Fricke be on? 1, 2, Howarth 3, King 4, Fricke 5, Harris Depending on the point limit etc I might change my mind but how much that leave for a number 1? I guess around 7.5? I will leave the reserves out as we don't yet know how the draft will be implemented next season but I'm sure Sarjeant will be in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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