shinyhine Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Well I am 50 50 on this one robbo ain't done nothing wrong but coventry have the chance to really make a meaningful change which would make us favourites for the title . There are a few options arguably better than him but lacking in his commitment and desire for coventry . If he stays I am happy with te team we got if we make a change while we can then I will have a smile on my face and think of the 20 to 1 ticket I have 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobee Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 So a week Friday, depending on what Kings scores against Poole we will have over a point to play with added to the half a point we're already short thst leaves over 6 points to replace Robbo. Will the club do it? Go all out to but an awesome team? Or just be happy with a good team? He may not be everyone's cup of tea but Ben Barker is the obvious signing. While I'd love Mads, Buczkowski or MJJ I'm realistic enough to know they're either not interested or prohibitively expensive. A team of Hans, King, Joonas, Barker, Harris, Garrity and Sarj is realistic and surely a damn scary proposition for the rest?! Just out of interest - how come Danny King will be on such a low average ? Is it because we are discounting the Brummie fixtures and also those that were from d/u last season ? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 6, 2015 Report Share Posted April 6, 2015 Just out of interest - how come Danny King will be on such a low average ? Is it because we are discounting the Brummie fixtures and also those that were from d/u last season ? Cheers The BSPA seem to have reset his average to when he signed for Lakeside last year and have removed all his Brimingham meetings. Lets not ask questions, lets just happily accept the news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 10, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2015 (edited) The Poole meeting highlighted the fact that when the new averages come out a change will need to be made. Imagine us having a 6pt rider at number 2? Edited April 11, 2015 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 The Poole meeting highlighted the fact that when the new averages come out a change will need to be made. Imagine us having a 6pt rider at number 2? Would be good. However easier said than done as was hard finding 6pt rider which is why we had Jamrog. So glad we brought in JK who has been brilliant so far this season. Also highlighted though how poole may themselves struggle if they have Watf back in the team. To only lose by 7 on a night when your no 1 doesn't turn up and you have lots of exclusions whilst they have a top scoring guest makes me feel confident against other teams. Hoping if Robson isn't back on Wed, that we use Lasse Bjerre as a guest. He usually very good at Poole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbee Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Would be good. However easier said than done as was hard finding 6pt rider which is why we had Jamrog. So glad we brought in JK who has been brilliant so far this season. Also highlighted though how poole may themselves struggle if they have Watf back in the team. To only lose by 7 on a night when your no 1 doesn't turn up and you have lots of exclusions whilst they have a top scoring guest makes me feel confident against other teams. Hoping if Robson isn't back on Wed, that we use Lasse Bjerre as a guest. He usually very good at Poole. you have got to remember Janowski woul have scored more as well .Rory was the difference poole just took advantage of the Watt situation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbobee Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 you have got to remember Janowski woul have scored more as well .Rory was the difference poole just took advantage of the Watt situation Poole took advantage of the fact that Rory Schlein is currently on a GSA average that lends itself to be ideal for guesting despite riding with one of the highest cmas in the League this year! Astute management by the Poole bosses. Worked for Poole - didn't work for Leicester but hey ho we move on . Funnily enough would have taken 3 points from the two fixtures before the matches themselves and we ended up with 4 !! Cheers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 you have got to remember Janowski woul have scored more as well .Rory was the difference poole just took advantage of the Watt situation[/quote Don't think Magic would have as was behind both bees riders in race he fell in and then Rory & North were in better form than him on our track and scored well in his R/R rides. Agree though that Rory for Watf made huge difference as Watt never gets more than a 3rd or last on our track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) you have got to remember Janowski woul have scored more as well .Rory was the difference poole just took advantage of the Watt situation Don't think Magic would have as was behind both bees riders in race he fell in and then Rory & North were in better form than him on our track and scored well in his R/R rides. Agree though that Rory for Watf made huge difference as Watt never gets more than a 3rd or last on our track. Just to be clear - it was Rory guesting for Josh! Edited April 11, 2015 by Steve0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Just to be clear - it was Rory guesting for Josh! Steve0 - never let facts get in the way of a good rant!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 Steve0 - never let facts get in the way of a good rant!!! I think that makes it worse (just like Poole would have done against Swindon). Having an EL heat leader guesting for a PL D/U rider just doesn't sit right with me - but it's within the rules - doesn't make it right though! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 11, 2015 Report Share Posted April 11, 2015 I think that makes it worse (just like Poole would have done against Swindon). Having an EL heat leader guesting for a PL D/U rider just doesn't sit right with me - but it's within the rules - doesn't make it right though! Agree. Let's hope Rory's guesting doesn't come back to haunt him though when it comes to the table at the end of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Sarjeant scored 10 points for Glasgow today, good effort! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 Sarjeant scored 10 points for Glasgow today, good effort! Brilliant. 2 of those race wins as well. Harris scored paid 14 in Poland as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HagueyUK Posted April 12, 2015 Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 It's all within the rules regarding Rory, and not wrong at all in my book in anyway. Scenario, say JK isn't able to ride on Wednesday night at Poole due to let's say an injury (stay safe) or illness, Coventry would be able to have a guest. I wonder if you would think it's right to cover him with Rory if he was free willing and able to do so? Wimbourne Road is not a track that JK usually excels at, Rory on the other hand? Yes it would be right, it works both ways. Rory is not on a false average, it's his true ability average. Rory gained his average from within a top team last year, as a 3rd heat leader. How much harder would it have been for him if he didn't have Neils and Kenneth riding in the team? Or just one of them? Generally he tends to start the year flying then tails off towards the end. He was free, willing and able to guest under the rules for Poole, on the same rules as any other club in the Elite league. He's always been a popular choice of guest when average fits, as is Chris Harris. Look at how many different clubs and meetings he was a guest for last year. As for "Having an EL heat leader guesting for a PL D/U rider just doesn't sit right with me - but it's within the rules - doesn't make it right though" Why isn't it right? Please explain. Davey Watt our third heat leader gets injured, is replaced by a double upper. Double upper has to ride pl in clashes as that's the rules as they signed him first which is fair. So he has to be replaced by a guest of equal, or under his average. Rory's average is under, and like Josh's average was attained by riding in the Elite league last year, a true reflection on both riders. Is it right that a PL D/U replaces a EL heat leader when injured? Yes of course, but not the other way round? Really? As I tweeted Havvy, any team that wins away from home has done something right and probably had some luck along the way. I thought before the match Poole should get a point, or a draw at best, but it wasn't just a win, it was a 8 point margin win. That's not easy for any team to do at any away track. Even if there were no fallers, exclusions, Han's riding well and was a perfect meeting in that regard for Coventry, Poole still were good for at least a draw, probably a win anyway. You can't take that away from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Obviously Rory will be extensively used as a replacement because he is excellent value for his average.. This is the result of another 'Half-cocked' idea where the BSPA only did half a job. When it was first announced, that the match program would be altered, mainly to assist the FTR influx, the degree of difficulty of scoring points altered depending on the position you rode in the team. It was so obvious from the start, the second strings had a far easier time than that of the heat heaters. Able to see the implications of these ideas, some of us argued this strongly, whilst others thought we were making mountains out of molehills. But, we can all see, all it has done is make the sport a bigger mockery than it already is......Because of the varying degree of difficulties, comparing the average now is non-sensible. Last year, Josh was a second string and attained his average riding in the easier races..... Rory rode all his rides in the harder selection of races and therefore attained this average against a harder degree of difficulty. Rory is a far better rider than Josh, so to allow Rory to replace Josh is totally wrong and should be outlawed immediately. How many other teams with high average second strings will get a low scoring heat leader to cover him........ Yet another nail in the coffin....... 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Obviously Rory will be extensively used as a replacement because he is excellent value for his average.. This is the result of another 'Half-cocked' idea where the BSPA only did half a job. When it was first announced, that the match program would be altered, mainly to assist the FTR influx, the degree of difficulty of scoring points altered depending on the position you rode in the team. It was so obvious from the start, the second strings had a far easier time than that of the heat heaters. Able to see the implications of these ideas, some of us argued this strongly, whilst others thought we were making mountains out of molehills. But, we can all see, all it has done is make the sport a bigger mockery than it already is......Because of the varying degree of difficulties, comparing the average now is non-sensible. Last year, Josh was a second string and attained his average riding in the easier races..... Rory rode all his rides in the harder selection of races and therefore attained this average against a harder degree of difficulty. Rory is a far better rider than Josh, so to allow Rory to replace Josh is totally wrong and should be outlawed immediately. How many other teams with high average second strings will get a low scoring heat leader to cover him........ Yet another nail in the coffin....... Totally agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Simple............despite being a heat leader Rory's average is lower than both Josh and Davey's therefore is allowed regardless of the double up rule....................Besides which Dakota was made up to third heat leader as his average is higher than Josh's..............is that in simple enough terms to understand..............see the anti Poole brigade are out again...........funny when this is the Coventry thread................... RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 I have no issue with Rory guesting. It's the rules! If Kylmakorpi gets injured then we can also get the benefit of a heat leader replacing a 2nd string, same with other clubs too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Simple............despite being a heat leader Rory's average is lower than both Josh and Davey's therefore is allowed regardless of the double up rule....................Besides which Dakota was made up to third heat leader as his average is higher than Josh's..............is that in simple enough terms to understand..............see the anti Poole brigade are out again...........funny when this is the Coventry thread................... RP There's only one thing simple about the above post, and that's the mentality of the person who sent it. Once upon a time a guest was used as a last resource for a team and would always have made that team weaker. Now it seems, because of all the new rules and guidelines Most teams can field a stronger team depending on availability. A second string should be replaced by another Second string, ( Like for Like). True, I have no love Poole, but my comment was directed to the rules of the sport in general. Then again, you probably won't understand that...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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