stevebrum Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 We HAVE to protect Garrity if I've read that right. We would get a half decent grade B rider as we would have 3rd pick after riders that are protected. That is completely the WRONG thing if we are going to make the draft list `fair`. By protecting riders from last year means that Leicester are left with whatever no one else wants and that cant be right. Poole get to keep Newman because he is their asset and that is absolutely right, yet Coventry get to `protect` Garrity because he rode for them last season despite NOT being an asset. How wrong is that?? Sounds like last season was completely fair in comparison to the dodgy added protection clause. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 That is completely the WRONG thing if we are going to make the draft list `fair`. By protecting riders from last year means that Leicester are left with whatever no one else wants and that cant be right. Poole get to keep Newman because he is their asset and that is absolutely right, yet Coventry get to `protect` Garrity because he rode for them last season despite NOT being an asset. How wrong is that?? Sounds like last season was completely fair in comparison to the dodgy added protection clause. Leicester will get 1st pick from Grade A. I can see a few teams may actually protect a Grade B rider. Sarjeant, Ellis, Rose, Jacobs and Nielsen could all easily be protected as the Grade A riders are all close standard wise. I don't think is wrong that there is a chance at continuity at clubs if wanted, every club has that option. Personally I keep changing my mind as to whether Sarjeant or Garrity should be protected. Tough call for the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Leicester will get 1st pick from Grade A. I can see a few teams may actually protect a Grade B rider. Sarjeant, Ellis, Rose, Jacobs and Nielsen could all easily be protected as the Grade A riders are all close standard wise. I don't think is wrong that there is a chance at continuity at clubs if wanted, every club has that option. Personally I keep changing my mind as to whether Sarjeant or Garrity should be protected. Tough call for the club. Leicester will get 1st pick of riders after other clubs above them have `protected` riders that aren't their assets. I agree that the list of the 1st draft riders are a lot closer in ability so everyone should have a decent number 6 so therefore cant see why protecting for continuity is a valid point. If continuity was an important issue for the BSPA they would have rider contracts (for the 1-5) protected for at least 2 seasons also. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Leicester will get 1st pick of riders after other clubs above them have `protected` riders that aren't their assets. I agree that the list of the 1st draft riders are a lot closer in ability so everyone should have a decent number 6 so therefore cant see why protecting for continuity is a valid point. If continuity was an important issue for the BSPA they would have rider contracts (for the 1-5) protected for at least 2 seasons also. This is why I think clubs might protect Grade B riders, the gulf in class is bigger. Could easily be that Poole will be the only only protecting a rider from A. If that happens then Poole won't have that much to pick from in Grade B. I guess Starke looking at it from my perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 This is why I think clubs might protect Grade B riders, the gulf in class is bigger. Could easily be that Poole will be the only only protecting a rider from A. If that happens then Poole won't have that much to pick from in Grade B. I guess Starke looking at it from my perspective. But clubs can protect BOTH grades if they want to according to the way its been broken down. You can protect an asset AND a rider that rode for you last season. That is completely wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 But clubs can protect BOTH grades if they want to according to the way its been broken down. You can protect an asset AND a rider that rode for you last season. That is completely wrong. No you can't. Each club can protect ONE rider. Either your asset or someone who rode for you last year. If Swindon and BV both want Worrall then BV as his parent club get priority, if Wolves and Coventry both want Jacobs then Coventry get him as his parent club. But you cannot protect two riders. Lynn can protect Kerr but run the risk of Poole taking Rose but if Lynn want Rose then they'll lose Kerr to Leicester in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 No you can't. Each club can protect ONE rider. Either your asset or someone who rode for you last year. If Swindon and BV both want Worrall then BV as his parent club get priority, if Wolves and Coventry both want Jacobs then Coventry get him as his parent club. But you cannot protect two riders. Lynn can protect Kerr but run the risk of Poole taking Rose but if Lynn want Rose then they'll lose Kerr to Leicester in the first round. Just re-read it. I have just climbed down from my high horse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Sherriff Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Now we know the rules of the draft Coventry has got to Protect Garrity for sure 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Torn between if we should protect Sarj or Garrity. Sarjeant was best near end of season so tough call, also James wouldn't miss any meetings as asset. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Torn between if we should protect Sarj or Garrity. Sarjeant was best near end of season so tough call, also James wouldn't miss any meetings as asset. IMHO you only need one reserve who can take 6-7 rides if needed and score freely. A decent 2nd reserve is a bonus. I would say getting the 1st pick right is the key and most crucial one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 (edited) I presume there's also a chance that some of the riders will ask to be removed from the draft, a la R. Lambert last year? Garrity said at an NSSC meeting earlier in the season that he would never go in the draft again as he simply couldn't make it pay at £40 a point. He was earning twice as much scoring less points for Rye. Presume if he withdraws, there's a good chance the Bees would be interested in taking him on as a second string? Edited November 20, 2014 by CB252 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Garrity won't be earning £40 a point in the draft if he rode this year as he's one of the top performers. If the Bees aren't offering him more than the basic rate then I suggest he leaves! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted November 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Garrity won't be earning £40 a point in the draft if he rode this year as he's one of the top performers. If the Bees aren't offering him more than the basic rate then I suggest he leaves! They are only allowed to offer the basic rate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 They are only allowed to offer the basic rate. Yeah legally..... on the side though..... then who are we to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Garrity won't be earning £40 a point in the draft if he rode this year as he's one of the top performers. If the Bees aren't offering him more than the basic rate then I suggest he leaves! No draft rider should be earning £40 p/point as that's not the pay rate next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSmiler Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I'm probably in the minority here but I'd really rather we protected Sarjeant. He will keep improving. We should go for one of Birks, Roynon or Auty in the first. I think we could get away with Garrity in the 1-5. 1. Andersen 2. Howarth 3. Larsen 4. Garrity 5. Harris 6. Roynon/Birks 7. Sarjeant 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 I'm probably in the minority here but I'd really rather we protected Sarjeant. He will keep improving. We should go for one of Birks, Roynon or Auty in the first. I think we could get away with Garrity in the 1-5. 1. Andersen 2. Howarth 3. Larsen 4. Garrity 5. Harris 6. Roynon/Birks 7. Sarjeant Thought Larsen was above the 7.00 mark? If so, that's 3+ on the 7.00 average mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) I am torn as would love to have Garrity back again but think Sarjeant stepped up more under pressure and was also able to beat most of the other draft riders. Think Auty and Blackbird could also be good at reserve. Another thing is Sarjeant wouldn't miss meetings due to being an asset but Garrity could end up missing a lot again. It's a tough decision as ideally we would keep both but not the case if can't protect both. Hoping that we hear Harris announced very soon with regards to main team Edited November 21, 2014 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 (edited) As Garrity isn't your rider it is a no brainer to protect Sarjeant. If Sarjeant continues next season how he finished off this season then he will be a very strong second reserve. He performed better than Garrity at the business end of the season too. Edited November 21, 2014 by Steve0 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panthers89 Posted November 21, 2014 Report Share Posted November 21, 2014 As Garrity isn't your rider it is a no brainer to protect Sarjeant. If Sarjeant continues next season how he finished off this season then he will be a very strong second reserve. He performed better than Garrity at the business end of the season too. Agreed, Sarjeant is the strongest 2nd draft pick there, so have to protect him, if you don't get Garrity, you'll end up getting Roynon or someone similar, could be worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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