Trees Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Some of us need to just go watch some speedway, four riders racing side by side on 500cc motorbikes with no brakes, 0-60 faster than an F1 car, and forget about the playoffs and double tac rides :-) 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I`ve no doubt this time next we will have a statement saying the future of speedway has been sorted and the futures bright, thing is this time next year we will all be posting about the same problems we are now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 Some of us need to just go watch some speedway, four riders racing side by side on 500cc motorbikes with no brakes, 0-60 faster than an F1 car, and forget about the playoffs and double tac rides :-)Unfortunately there is not enough of your type to keep the sport alive.Others just see it as the Mickey Mouse sport it is becoming and spend their money elsewhere. re that letter...I really do admire Len's enthusiasm and commitment, unfortunately it seems to blind him from what's staring him in the face...less and less fans!Think Len got his mate to publish the letter in the Star so as he could get his tuppence worth in by replying.Len done a similar letter last year telling everybody how great the sport still is a were are all just making it up about the shortcomings in the sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I see there are lots of "GUEST" HOUSES in the area as well!!!! Â Â Â One of the roads has a huge pothole, I think it's called Wimborne Road. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrycuda Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 (edited) Post removed Edited June 4, 2015 by Barrycuda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 9, 2014 Report Share Posted November 9, 2014 I don't think the promoters have got the bottle to give our young riders a chance in the main team. All they want are the top riders and all that matters is winning the league at the end of the year. If you bring a couple of youngsters into your glourious EL side and fail to win even if the lads are giving thier all and getting better by the week, it is of no use to the team if you are stuck in the lower part of the league table, I personally would rather see our youngsters given that chance.and hopefully we would end up with a few more top class riders in this country. But no the promoters want the top stars and overseas riders and sad to say do most of the fans. I am sure we would see far better racing than we get now, giving some of these guys a chance to make it in the main team line up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 I don't think the promoters have got the bottle to give our young riders a chance in the main team. All they want are the top riders and all that matters is winning the league at the end of the year. If you bring a couple of youngsters into your glourious EL side and fail to win even if the lads are giving thier all and getting better by the week, it is of no use to the team if you are stuck in the lower part of the league table, I personally would rather see our youngsters given that chance.and hopefully we would end up with a few more top class riders in this country. But no the promoters want the top stars and overseas riders and sad to say do most of the fans. I am sure we would see far better racing than we get now, giving some of these guys a chance to make it in the main team line up. But, in them olden days, the 2nd and 3rd tier of Speedway was mainly staffed by young British riders......... And was a true nursery for the top league. Now it's almost a separate entity, and has its "stars" which are mostly double upper/downers, a few national leaguers and sub standard foreigners... It doesn't give a hoot about the top league, that's why it rejected the fast track scheme.... It wanted 7 ride reserves that can bang in 10+ points plus per meeting, not reserve race 3,pts and 0,0 per meeting.... And don't even start on the national league, guests in the lowest league? Should all hang their heads in shame... Should be young, young youngsters, promote a reserve into the team and blood a youngster at reserve, end of...... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Lewis Kerr, Lewis Blackbird, Jason Garrity, Kyle Newman, Steve Worrall, Ashley Birks and Kyle Howarth as number 6s in 2015? Their positions protected in that they can't be dropped other than injury but they can move into the top 5 on merit etc, like a traditional reserve? Obviously the meeting format will have to change, sure someone has already suggested something on here? Would be great and show that the plan is working if some of these boys end up the season in the top 5 when they then lose their fast track status. Any that don't stay at 6 again joined by the best number 7s. Always open to abuse of course, I guess if the FTR ends on a real high average and somehow has managed to stay at reserve then they will have to go up into the top 5, decision would have to be made as to the value of that average. We'll see what they decide, idea sounds okay ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Lewis Kerr, Lewis Blackbird, Jason Garrity, Kyle Newman, Steve Worrall, Ashley Birks and Kyle Howarth as number 6s in 2015? Their positions protected in that they can't be dropped other than injury but they can move into the top 5 on merit etc, like a traditional reserve? Obviously the meeting format will have to change, sure someone has already suggested something on here? Would be great and show that the plan is working if some of these boys end up the season in the top 5 when they then lose their fast track status. Any that don't stay at 6 again joined by the best number 7s. Always open to abuse of course, I guess if the FTR ends on a real high average and somehow has managed to stay at reserve then they will have to go up into the top 5, decision would have to be made as to the value of that average. We'll see what they decide, idea sounds okay ;-) Who's the 8th one?? And would that mean instructing those riders where they have to ride and how much they are to be paid? Can't imagine someone like Howarth agreeing to FTR rates after being in 1-5 this year!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Seriously, we are basing the future of the sport on discussions about a friggin two minute clock. Bigger picture people, bigger picture. Â And as for the suggestion of a Sky representation there, no chance, it's not their sport. personaly i would welcome the 2 minute clock as its not policed fairly some refs will kick a rider out when we feel hes still got time left and some others allow 2 minutes after the 30 second warning has been given and there is riders who do push there luck on the 2 minute rule 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Its been said and proved to an extent that having the best reserves gets the highest League position, so for fast track riders maybe for 2015 the reserves will only get half points in there guarded races, but in the other races they will get full points, and those races will then give them a proper average for Team building purposes in the following years.The pay rates will need to be adjusted so that they dont lose money for half point guarded races. When they beat an opposing Ht leader or 2nd string they will also get proper points money not only FTR pay rate. Â This achieves three things; 1. Teams are not so reliant on having 2 good FTR riders 2. It gives FTR riders a chance to earn more money in line with there value to the Team 3, It also gives them a proper average against other none FTR riders. Sounds complicated which i dont like but it is a way of ironing out the anomalies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheReturn Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 personaly i would welcome the 2 minute clock as its not policed fairly some refs will kick a rider out when we feel hes still got time left and some others allow 2 minutes after the 30 second warning has been given and there is riders who do push there luck on the 2 minute rule The least of the sports problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyhoundp Posted November 10, 2014 Report Share Posted November 10, 2014 Another Rule i would like to see implemented; At the moment if a NL rider has a PL average of 4 or over he cant ride NL, shouldnt we also be saying if a none UK rider has a PL average less than 4 he shouldnt be able to ride PL, because those same ability riders are available from the NL. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Another Rule i would like to see implemented; At the moment if a NL rider has a PL average of 4 or over he cant ride NL, shouldnt we also be saying if a none UK rider has a PL average less than 4 he shouldnt be able to ride PL, because those same ability riders are available from the NL. Something along these lines would be good, but it will/would break EU employment laws in some people's eyes, but as the riders are technically self employed, not sure normal employment laws apply...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Who's the 8th one?? And would that mean instructing those riders where they have to ride and how much they are to be paid? Can't imagine someone like Howarth agreeing to FTR rates after being in 1-5 this year!! Missed one did I, Charles Wright then, no they would be on more than ftr rates because they would be more than this year's ftrs. Edited November 11, 2014 by Trees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) You can place a bet on that most Promoters will be looking for cost cutting measures, instead of finding ways to improve the product. Cost cutting is a spiral downwards, speculate to accumulate is the answer. Edited November 11, 2014 by TOURETTES 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Stummings Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Definitely cost cutting. I can see their new vision. A 13 heat formula with an additional second half (although not compulsory) tac subs after heat 4 when a team are 6 points down, choice of gate positions as well, a one off World Finaj. How radical would that be..../ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 You can place a bet on that most Promoters will be looking for cost cutting measures, instead of finding ways to improve the product. Cost cutting is a spiral downwards, speculate to accumulate is the answer. Should have gone to Specsavers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 Should have gone to Specsavers! Just checking your eyesight, for an old fart like me it clearly legible Is that better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted November 11, 2014 Report Share Posted November 11, 2014 On Liecester Lions website David Hemsley has posted today what he want to put forward at the AGM. Change the FTR to one young British rider and another from your own choice be it a British lad or an overseas rider. Not really helping to bring the British lads on, but I can see the point there that some of the FTR are not up to the standard of the top FTR so giving an unfair advantage to the team that has got those riders. We will have to see what happens but I think it will be something along those lines. It may take them a few weeks to let us the speedway fans know what they have been up to, but sure as God made little green apples it will not be anything to help British speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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